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I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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I'm not really sure what he expected here, ChatGPT was not trained to be a doctor, it is far more general than that. Asking ChatGPT for medical advice is like asking someone who is very well read but has no experience as a doctor, and in that context it's doing very well. He also brings up one of the most salient points without really visiting it enough: ChatGPT does not ask for clarification, because it is not a kno…

My hunch is that this is exactly what he was expecting. There is a lot of hype around ChatGPT passing the medical exam and this exercise is a counter point to that.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Ah yes, the "everyone lies" House M.D. problem

Not even, ChatGPT, being an engine that figures out what's right by finding out what is average, is bad at understanding the atypical.

>is bad at understanding the atypical.

To be fair I've found most doctors require a lot of convincing if your problem atypical as well.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Some of the best performances I've seen out of ChatGPT are essentially "junior programmer" level. But it still requires clear instructions and close supervision. But GPT's training data includes GitHub, and it's used to power Copilot. It has arguably been trained to be a programmer. In less familiar domains, like law or medicine, GPT has presumably undergone very limited training and tuning. It's essentially an "inte…

training on uptodate.com would probably be a good start

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Being a scifi geek and AI geek and neuroscience geek for pretty much the past 40 years, I've read countless predictions and scenarios and stories about society's response as "true" AI begins to emerge. So watching it play out for real is creating this bizarre sense of deja vu combined with fascination and frustration and also some anxiety.

This article and the comments in this thread are right up that alley. I mean, can you imagine say 1 or 2 years ago saying we'd have a readily accessible system that you could feed it the symptoms a patient is experiencing (in any language!) and out would split a well-described explanation of the diagnosis (in any language!) around half the time? And now it is suddenly here, and so many people are like, "yeah, but it isn't perfect" or "we can't completely trust it" or "we have to fact check it because it can be wrong".

It is all so weird and fascinating and just bigger than I can describe.

But here we are!

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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post #10

It's amazing that it was that effective... - It's a generalized language model; imagine how much more effective it would be with a specialized ai that used a variety of techniques that are better suited for logic and reasoning, while using llms to interact with patients. - It cost an order of magnitude less than the visit to a doctor. - The potential in being able to constantly monitor a patient - a point made in the…

> only reflecting back to me the things I thought were obvious — enthusiastically validating my bias like the world’s most dangerous yes-man.

This is why it's exciting: we're seeing that awkward stage of impressive (for entry level/passing the bar) but still requires (expert?) supervision. Any worse and the novelty would wear off - any better and we'd be having (warranted) AI panic.

Could go either way tbh

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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I'm not really sure what he expected here, ChatGPT was not trained to be a doctor, it is far more general than that. Asking ChatGPT for medical advice is like asking someone who is very well read but has no experience as a doctor, and in that context it's doing very well. He also brings up one of the most salient points without really visiting it enough: ChatGPT does not ask for clarification, because it is not a kno…

> ChatGPT does not ask for clarification, because it is not a knowledge base trying to find an answer. All it does is figure out what character is statistically most likely to come next, it has no heuristic to know that there is a task it hasn't fully completed.

It absolutely can, but it requires the right prompts. If you just say "give me a diagnosis" it won't, but if you prompt it with a "you are a doctor and I am a patient" kind of prompt, it will.

I'll agree that it tends to "close off" conversations without a lot of open endedness - I role-played through a session using myself as a patient with a chronic condition I suffer from and it correctly identified the problem, but I had to push it a little to get it to try to narrow down the problem (instead of "here's a bunch of things it could be" and ending the convo there).

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Which version though? 3.5 or 4? It does not state this explicitly. There is a world of difference between 3.5 and 4.

This is a republication of an older article that was published just when ChatGPT 4 came out, and the date was changed.

I personally had seen good and bad parts of diagnosing with ChatGPT 4, and what I would interested in is if the doctor tries using multiple questions and finds out how to use the tool well.

I believe he could have improved the tool significantly if he puts in the time to experiment with it.

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