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I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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Define Nazi

I don't see enough evidence that Musk is a Nazi, but he does seem more fine with Nazis than with people who disagree with him. Twitter is slowly turning into his private propaganda network. It's entirely reasonable to look for something better.

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As far as I can tell, the only people who moved to Mastodon are the people who are REALLY tuned into Twitter rage, aka the super insufferable ones. Most people seem to be just fine continuing the normal shitposting and whatever on Twitter.

Depends on what you mean by "insufferable". The people who moved to Mastodon include people like Stephen Fry and Neil Gaiman. If that's your definition of insufferable, then please stay on Twitter. There's significantly less shitposting on the Fediverse than on Twitter, though probably more on Mastodon than on other parts of the Fediverse.

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> - People get real nasty about others going back to “the birdsite” > I want to focus on the last point because this has definitely been a contributor to my recent ick. I’ve noticed a few folks getting frankly, horrible about people moving back to Twitter recently and I think it’s a bit unfair. I think it's a bit unfair to say that "Mastodon" is giving you "the ick" when you really mean that a few folks on Mastodon a…

Some people on Mastodon really do love to poke fun at Twitter though. I can imagine that real Twitter fans might not enjoy that much.

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Mastadon depends a lot on what instance you're on. You're community is primarily your instance and non-instance users are secondary (discovery is bad outside the instance). Unlike Twitter you have to be intentional about your community. I've been on Mastadon since before Musk said anything about buying Twitter. I never viewed it as a Twitter replacement, but I never spent much time on Twitter to begin with. I think a…

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Define Nazi

I don't see enough evidence that Musk is a Nazi, but he does seem more fine with Nazis than with people who disagree with him. Twitter is slowly turning into his private propaganda network. It's entirely reasonable to look for something better.

I suggest "Nazi adjacent" to describe people like Elon, who don't hold explicitly white supremacist, racist or anti-semitic beliefs (that we're aware of) but who seem to find camaraderie with such people out of a common disdain for "the wokes."

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> - People get real nasty about others going back to “the birdsite” > I want to focus on the last point because this has definitely been a contributor to my recent ick. I’ve noticed a few folks getting frankly, horrible about people moving back to Twitter recently and I think it’s a bit unfair. I think it's a bit unfair to say that "Mastodon" is giving you "the ick" when you really mean that a few folks on Mastodon a…

Some people on Mastodon really do love to poke fun at Twitter though. I can imagine that real Twitter fans might not enjoy that much.

Sure, I've definitely seen that. But that wasn't one of the author's complaints. Instead there was the rather strange complaint:

> People relentlessly calling Twitter the “birdsite”

Twitter users have been calling Twitter the birdsite since forever, so I don't get the criticism of Mastodon. Maybe now though we'll start calling it the dogsite.

Re: I think I’m not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick

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The bit about tone policing is under appreciated IMHO. If you are very careful to never offend anyone then you will never be influential. Influence is about changing people's mind and people may be offended when you challenge their preconceived notions. Now obviously you need moderation on large discussion platforms. The disproportionate effect of trolls can't be ignored, but it is possible and even easy at times to…

I disagree. It's entirely possible to have discussions of value between people of differing beliefs without offense, certainly without purposely seeking to offend. That and the "influence" culture it creates is a large part of what people fled to Mastodon to avoid. You don't have a right to come into someone else's space and insist on telling them they're wrong about their beliefs or identity or whatever you take issue with. There are plenty of spaces on the internet where the rough-and-tumble of politics and argument and offense are welcome, but it doesn't have to be everywhere.

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I don't see enough evidence that Musk is a Nazi, but he does seem more fine with Nazis than with people who disagree with him. Twitter is slowly turning into his private propaganda network. It's entirely reasonable to look for something better.

I suggest "Nazi adjacent" to describe people like Elon, who don't hold explicitly white supremacist, racist or anti-semitic beliefs (that we're aware of) but who seem to find camaraderie with such people out of a common disdain for "the wokes."

I think the "Nazi" epithet just shows a lack of imagination and historical knowledge by those who use it, basically Godwin's Law exemplified. After all, on the American side, the Confederacy predated Nazi Germany by 70 years or so, and with regard to Musk, he comes from South Africa with its own history of Apartheid, so there are much more relevant antecedents, if you want to go there. It feels like "Nazi" has become a just an empty, generic stand-in for "really bad". To be honest, it's difficult for me to take anyone seriously who throws it around like that, regardless of how I feel about the target of the insults. (I'd say the same about "woke" too, by the way.)

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I suggest "Nazi adjacent" to describe people like Elon, who don't hold explicitly white supremacist, racist or anti-semitic beliefs (that we're aware of) but who seem to find camaraderie with such people out of a common disdain for "the wokes."

I think the "Nazi" epithet just shows a lack of imagination and historical knowledge by those who use it, basically Godwin's Law exemplified. After all, on the American side, the Confederacy predated Nazi Germany by 70 years or so, and with regard to Musk, he comes from South Africa with its own history of Apartheid, so there are much more relevant antecedents, if you want to go there. It feels like "Nazi" has become…

> It feels like "Nazi" has become a just an empty, generic stand-in for "really bad".

Well... yes. Language evolves and terms generalize over time as the context in which they're used gains distance from their original meaning. No one is accusing Elon Musk of being a member of the German National Socialist Workers' Party.

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