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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

cheeseblubber wrote: post #529

Here are some statistics that might help the discussion: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18." https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des... A…

Speaking from experience, if you go walking the Bronx Concourse at 2am, you are getting robbed at gun point.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by nrclark »

kardianos wrote: post #424
civilized wrote: post #312

I accompanied my wife to a conference in SF a few years ago. While walking along Market Street, returning to our hotel from picking up food for the kids, one of those dishevelled guys with big coats ran at me full tilt. I was forced to run across the middle of the street into traffic to get away from him. He pursued me, pulling out a gun and pointing it at me midway across the street. After I got across the street he…

For contrast, in many parts of Texas, that man assaulting you would have been dead. People may not like it, but reality isn't some idealized abstract notion. Knowing what is good requires you to look carefully at what is.

Can you give some evidence to support that assertion?

I would love to see statistics on the number of assaults that were stopped because the defender had a gun.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by loeg »

galleywest200 wrote: post #418
kenneth wrote: post #151

I find it shocking that anyone still chooses to live in this broken city. I left >4 years ago and am never coming back. It's unfixable. Let's move the tech industry somewhere that isn't rotten to the core.

Pacific Northwest has loads of tech giants, move up here to the woods. No reason to live in Seattle, the big kids are over in the forest in Redmond (Microsoft, Valve, etc).

FB/GOOG have small footprints in Seattle proper and bigger footprints on the east side (Bellevue and Kirkland) as well.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by [deleted] »

komali2 wrote: post #316
game_the0ry wrote: post #279

> A friend who was planning to meet Lee in Miami this weekend told The Standard that Lee had been in San Francisco on business, had stayed an extra day and was killed on that day. I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this.

> I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this. Based on the subreddit, which is usually a trash fire, it's what you'd expect I guess? Everyone thinks murder is bad, so we start at that baseline, and from there it's a couple classes of people arguing with eachother: those that are happy to consider san francisco "a shithole" or whatever hot reactionary word of the day the rest of the country is usi…

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by cdelsolar »

glerk wrote: post #143
martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

The truth is we are letting antisocial criminal trash walk freely around downtown and terrorize the local population. I think a lot of people live in their nice neighborhood bubble and have never stepped foot in FiDi or SOMA. Since I moved here, I have sen people break into cars (numerous times), fill suitcases with products from Target and Walgreens and leave without paying, casually smoke meth in a crowded bus, emp…

I worked in FiDi, I worked in SOMA, and I worked in the Western Addition for many years. I saw a lot of shit (literally), addicts shooting up on the Civic Center station steps, my coworker got punched in the arm by a homeless person on the way home. I've walked through the Tenderloin at night numerous times (some of the best food in the city). Yeah, there's some nasty stuff going on. But the comments here make it seem like SF is a lawless hellhole, a failed city. This is just not true. I never felt too unsafe, and I explored the city on foot by night constantly. Of course everyone takes a chance walking around at night in a US city. I love SF and I intend to visit again someday soon.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by sokoloff »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #571
cheeseblubber wrote: post #529

Here are some statistics that might help the discussion: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18." https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des... A…

Speaking from experience, if you go walking the Bronx Concourse at 2am, you are getting robbed at gun point.

There are a lot of places in the world where "nothing good happens after 2 AM..."

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by dxbydt »

cheeseblubber wrote: post #529

Here are some statistics that might help the discussion: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18." https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des... A…

You clicked on the "Descriptions" tab. Instead, if you click on the "Data" tab, it says:

Murder Rape Robbery Assault UNREPORTED UNREPORTED UNREPORTED UNREPORTED

If none of these stats are being made public, how are they able to compute 1 in 18 odds ?

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

tlogan wrote: post #570
martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

There are a few unrelated problems: - Sf closed schools for one year and half during the COVID causing large number of families to move out. And these are people who are contrablance to ultra liberals. - Housing crisis: Corruption within the city's permit process has resulted in the need to hire "accelerators," which exacerbates the housing crisis. - Public education: The public school system is facing significant di…

> The implementation of safe drug consumption sites has inadvertently worsened the city's drug problem.

"Inadvertently." Nice one.

> These issues may be interrelated or independent, but each contributes to the city's current struggles.

I don't see how any reasonable person could not see that these things are all closely related. The inequality, due to the unaffordable housing, leading to rampant homelessness, drug use, and crime, to an almost-complete abdication of prosecution for these crimes, in an effort to be "equitable," and now... considering paying reparations for slavery!? You really don't see a thread here? Really!?

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Post by alephnerd »

time_to_smile wrote: post #562
kenneth wrote: post #151

I find it shocking that anyone still chooses to live in this broken city. I left >4 years ago and am never coming back. It's unfixable. Let's move the tech industry somewhere that isn't rotten to the core.

Anyone who spent considerable time in SF before the most recent tech boom would likely argue that it was the tech industry that caused the rot in the first place. The foundation of safe cities is vibrant local communities with historic roots. Parts of the city where people choose to have and raise kids. Places with a sense of shared community where neighbors look out for each other. The rapid influx of extremely high…

SF has definetly seen QoL drop like a stone, but how much of that is because techies now live in neighborhoods that used to be the ghettos until the early 2010s.

Like Hayes Valley used to be crack dens until Twitter money, Mission District was a Latino ghetto until FB money, and Portrero Hill and West Add were the African American projects. Plus Chinatown and Tenderloin had an active Triad and Vietnamese+Cambodian gang presence.

Now you see upper net worth people living in Hayes Valley, houses in Portrero go for millions, every new grad SWE getting a shithole studio within walking distance of DoLo Park, much of Polk St and northern Tenderloin is now classified as "Lower Nob Hill", and all the Triad members and Viet gangs got caught in the ICE dragnet or retired.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by smachiz »

cheeseblubber wrote: post #529

Here are some statistics that might help the discussion: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18." https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des... A…

These stats for NYC are heavily skewed, I don't see an easy link to the source data for neighborhoodscout, but I think their methodology is _very_ flawed for popular cities. They list the population of Manhattan as 1.6M, but there's probably closer to 3-4M people there during the average day.
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