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Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Just to note, same happens in Belarus. This is one of the reason we can't travel there to see our grand parents - risk of being put in to prison and kids taken away is just to high to accept.

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> the US what happens when a kid draws that he wants to shoot other kids

We let them buy guns. In all seriousness, you are drawing equivalence between supporting a state enemy and credibly threatening violence. I don’t think you’re a troll. But maybe check your reflexive desire to be contrarian when it extends to criticising police investigating people who want to blow up schools.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Try following along instead of wrongly claiming scepticism towards something that is well documented.

Are you suggesting that I start blindly taking the mainstream media's reporting about war at good faith? Aren't there enough historic examples of how the American media establishment have been used to further American foreign policy objectives? I've always thought of myself as left-wing. I came of age in the 'War on Terror', and recall the collective skepticism of the American establishment. I remember the attitude o…

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Somewhere I could read more about Lukashenko's agenda?

As a .by native I never needed to go through any definitive source. But you often encounter useful nuggets in e.g. ISW reports and general long reads on situation with the Russian invasion. Naturally troubles in Belarus now pale to the savagery committed in Ukraine daily so there hasn't been much in terms of focused studies. But it's not like Lukashenka runs some policy think tank anyway. He mostly wings it, often de…

I don't think Putin ever bothered to ask for his opinion. From my neck of the woods Belarus seems to have been pretty much under foreign occupation since 2020. AFAIK the Russian military has had almost total control over your military bases and airfields even before the war started. We (KZ) had enough sense to stay out from day one, but probably only were allowed to do so because we're so far away and have no borders with Ukraine.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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>In fact, Russia made record profits last year. There was a lag between the jumps in prices and the move towards other sources than Russia. Russia is going to have massive budget issues from this year onwards. Saying that Europe is still a massive buyer of Russia gas and oil is simply false.

If by "other sources" you mean Latvia, India, and the like, then sure. Maybe you would like to know who that oil and gas is really coming from (or maybe not if you want to sleep well at night — that what others have been doing). I've read enough of this bullshit about Putin supposedly being out of rockets, Russian economy supposedly collapsing in a couple of weeks, etc, to not believe any word of it. And I really hop…

Russian state is under tremendous financial stress. If one were to listen to sources projecting an imminent collapse - they’d be disappointed, but still it is happening, albeit not as quickly as some have hoped.

The western countries despite their best intentions couldn’t move as quickly as some have hoped - whatever costs they impose on Russia are often a double-edged sword and risk harming their own economies.

Before one dismisses it as cynical - one must realize that to ensure long-term support for Ukraine - politicians have to be careful and court the public opinion in their own countries, and an economic burden will not help that cause.

But still - claims of some magical resilience of Russian state to the biggest collection of economic sanctions in history - is also a form of Russian propaganda. The extraordinary outflows of investment capital, flight of economically mobile population, import and export bans, loss of western gas and oil markets - is and will be more effective with every passing day.

The alternative to this gradual effect - is an overwhelming military defeat as the result of bold offensive action by NATO, but one can only guess how this would end. So we must wait.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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I'm pretty sure the problem is a circle of oligarchs, cronies, and ex-KGB turning the government into a sadistic mob state, and their citizens poor as hell.

This seems pretty similar to descriptions of Russia in 1918 as well. What's up with this place? Maybe it's the cultural influence of the Mongol invasion?

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

I’m not Russian but have some experience with moving around with a (once)weak passport: You can’t just go wherever you like. You are not welcome and they won’t let you come if they suspect you might stay. Some conspire to send you to Rwanda, some beat you up on the border, others lock you up in concentration camps. You are also the boogyman for about %20-%50 of the population of the country you go and about that many…

It's really sad what people like you have to overcome. Fortunately this is not the case for majority immigrants from Russia even though it's multinational country. Very few people in west would ever be able to tell if a person in front of them is from Russia, Ukraine or Belarus. In some countries locals can't even tell we're foreigners.

Problems of people who immigrating from Russia are mostly financial.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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They've already yoinked hundreds of Ukraine children from families, so why not? Embrace the fuckery and continue the war crimes on your own citizens.

We should all keep in mind the old saying, "The first casualty of war is the truth." I am not saying that you are incorrect but that we should digest some stories with a bit of skepticism. Here is a counter report on that claim to consider. https://thegrayzone.com/2023/03/31/iccs-putin-arrest-state-d...

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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> We fought a very bloody civil war to get rid of slavery, and black people/women have had the right to vote for some time is that what gets taught in american schools these days? i wonder how the black and natives feel > Putin by contrast is a return to a 19th century Tsardom in everything but name what does tsardom mean? if anything putinism is a caricature of the russian government in Red Alert 2. by that i mean a…

Better to be black in America than Russian in Russia. We got our problems over here, but at least we aren’t being conscripted and thrown into the meat grinder of a pointless war.

> being conscripted and thrown into the meat grinder

I will be labeled as a brainwashed ruskie and downvoted into oblivion if I point out that it isn't really true, right?

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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This is a category error: you're comparing US propaganda (a think the US government did and still does) with an article from a UK-based magazine that's mostly known for economics analysis. The US (and the UK) both have ample motivation (and source material) to cast Russia in a negative light. But there's a significant different in kind between "Destroy This Mad Brute"[1] and even directed journalism. [1]: https://www…

> This is a category error: you're comparing US propaganda (a think the US government did and still does) with an article from a UK-based magazine that's mostly known for economics analysis. When you say "comparing", are you saying that an assertion of equality has been made? No such assertion exists in the text you are responding to. And if one is simply comparing and contrasting similar things but making no claim o…

Equality or not; the comment is about something the US government does when the article is written by a non-government in not-the-US.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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> Kids are too young to make life long decisions like this. Exactly, and that's why I think it's inconceivable that they should be prohibited from getting help from therapists and psychiatrists, which bills like this one try to prohibit. This is a serious decision in which children and their parents need support. Bills that seek to a) prevent children from accessing care based on peer-reviewed standards of care, b) s…

Just because something is accepted does not make it right. People had lobotomies routinely performed because it was an accepted practice by peer reviewed professionals. Orphan Children need to have their rights protected precisely because they've been routinely abused by people that have power over them. That includes being free from being pressured into getting medical procedures done to them which they are not old…

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