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Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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There are international organizations that try to protect children's rights. For example, Robert Kennedy, who might a presidential run as a democrat in the next election is involved in the Children's Health Defence

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/

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> We fought a very bloody civil war to get rid of slavery, and black people/women have had the right to vote for some time is that what gets taught in american schools these days? i wonder how the black and natives feel > Putin by contrast is a return to a 19th century Tsardom in everything but name what does tsardom mean? if anything putinism is a caricature of the russian government in Red Alert 2. by that i mean a…

> wonder how the black and natives feel That they’re better off than being slaves.

sorry to break it to you but black men and women are born free. its just that americans put them in chains. im sure that today they are grateful for being treated as 2nd class citizens

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That's how majority of the world lives though.

Yeah, and I wouldn't want to live in the majority of the world. Judging by immigration patterns, most people who live in the majority of the world don't want to either. It's one reason Russia's having issues with the T-14 tank, not only are a lot of its parts imported from the West, but anyone in Russia smart enough to help build a tank has almost certainly left for the West where they can have a better standard of l…

People who actually develop tanks usually have restriction for going abroad for 5 or more years even after they leave they job because they know classified information. So I don't think that they left the country.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Sure is terrible, just weird that russians themselves just take it and don't stand up.

There have been many internal reform attempts in Russia, almost universally the leaders of each have been assassinated or imprisoned. It’s a very dangerous place to protest, especially now that they’ve invaded Ukraine and legalized mobilization.

I have a suspicion that the siloviki insiders are okay with the system as is. Plenty of stealing to be done at all levels.

The others still take it without doing anything about it.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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To an observer not closely following the extraordinary cycle of internal repressions taking place in Russia following its invasion of Ukraine - the news coming out of there, such as this one - may appear sensationalized. Surely this level of judicial evil is overstated! It’s not. The show trials over alleged enemies of the state reminiscent of Stalin are becoming routine. Regular people receiving sentences of 7 years…

I really wish this got more attention (but I guess Russian citizens receive zero sympathy these days, their political position notwithstanding). Maybe then we would see less of this tiresome bullshit from keyboard warriors from around the globe who blame ordinary citizens for being unwilling to throw themselves unarmed against a neo-Stalinist dictatorship that the West has supported for more than two decades. The EU…

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Pro-russion forces will claim this report is mere propaganda - how to proof it's not?

They'd love nothing more than for you to believe there is no proof or evidence for anything -- no truth for you to discern. Just struggles in the will to power.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Russians have never had any real individual rights. Throughout their history the common people have just been resources enslaved to brutal overlords. The Soviets were perhaps somewhat softer overlords on average, but the principle remains. The state will dispose of disobedient people the same way it would dispose of rotten potatoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZqBLcIvw0

> Russians have never had any real individual rights. To take a step back and think about things (not that I'm suggesting what I think)... in most places for most of history it's been about the group. The collective. Being heavily individualized is a modern and western thing. So, why is one way right and another way wrong? Note, I do not agree with what's going on with Russia. I'm simply bringing up the higher level…

Russia isn’t a country that’s about the group either though, it’s just a strong oligarchy. And not even an oligarchy that has roots in group based thinking like China, it’s very much an oligarchy born out of western individualism instead.

More generally, I’d say that group based thinking should not be enforced by the government. A society based around “the group is most important” can enforce itself just fine based on societal norms and their consequences (who people are willing to interact with and hire for work). What a government stepping in and saying what sort of talk is acceptable does is freeze the society to what the government enforces. Instead people should be able to try and change society norms if they believe there’s a better way, rather than government forcing it to stagnate.

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It's fluid. In the way late period fascist Italy could be called puppet state of Nazi Germany perhaps. But Belarusian dictator has his own distinct agenda and pursues it despite very limited choices which "puppet state" kinda glosses over.

Somewhere I could read more about Lukashenko's agenda?

As a .by native I never needed to go through any definitive source. But you often encounter useful nuggets in e.g. ISW reports and general long reads on situation with the Russian invasion. Naturally troubles in Belarus now pale to the savagery committed in Ukraine daily so there hasn't been much in terms of focused studies.

But it's not like Lukashenka runs some policy think tank anyway. He mostly wings it, often demonstrating an uncanny political sense for a self projected image of a simpleton. Still he certainly blew it big time in 2022. After participating in a breezy (now forgotten) invasion in Kazakhstan he went all in with Putin's next adventure. Now his ambitions of great commander appear to be back on ice and the focus is on survival. And while his own people remain his #1 enemy he is awake to the threat of complete Russian take over as well.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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If you want to keep up with the wave of panic sweeping the United States over transgender health care acceptance, this document is the best one I've found: http://legialerts.com/

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> more than a few got adopted and abused, and something like 19 were killed by their adopted parents.

Completely useless propaganda in the absence of [1] a credible source and [2] a comparison to those adopted by Russians, or who remain in Russian orphanages. FWIW, if I were a Russian orphan, I'd take my chances being adopted by parents in the U.S. any day of the week over remaining in an orphanage.

Not to say that Russian orphanages are evil institutions. But I doubt you'll be any evidence that shows they are better environments than the average adoptive family in the U.S. I expect you'd find the opposite, if anything, given the difference between any institutional environment, and the concomitant opportunities for abuse and neglect on a large scale, and an adoptive nuclear family.

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