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Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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> I find it surprising that so few are the least bit skeptical of contemporary reporting about Russia.

Please enlighten me. Where can I find independent Russian journalism and news (preferably in English). From what I understand, they've all been forced out of Russia or jailed.

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A key difference being that American society has evolved over the last 200 years to largely outgrow the cultural elements that produced those abuses. We fought a very bloody civil war to get rid of slavery, and black people/women have had the right to vote for some time. We're also not massacring Native American villages anymore. Not saying the problems are 100% solved, but no one can argue it's night and day compare…

> We fought a very bloody civil war to get rid of slavery, and black people/women have had the right to vote for some time is that what gets taught in american schools these days? i wonder how the black and natives feel > Putin by contrast is a return to a 19th century Tsardom in everything but name what does tsardom mean? if anything putinism is a caricature of the russian government in Red Alert 2. by that i mean a…

> wonder how the black and natives feel

That they’re better off than being slaves.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Russians have never had any real individual rights. Throughout their history the common people have just been resources enslaved to brutal overlords. The Soviets were perhaps somewhat softer overlords on average, but the principle remains. The state will dispose of disobedient people the same way it would dispose of rotten potatoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZqBLcIvw0

> The Soviets were perhaps somewhat softer overlords on average Most Russians in the Tzarist Russian empire could go years or decades without being actively oppressed — people out in rural villages could at least survive through benign neglect. There was no benign neglect in the soviet union. You were a gear in the system and if you failed to fill that part, you were liquidated or sent to a prison camp.

> There was no benign neglect in the soviet union. You were a gear in the system and if you failed to fill that part, you were liquidated or sent to a prison camp.

Like you would be sent to a prison camp in the 80s? Just stop...

Late soviet union was pure benign neglect.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Sure is terrible, just weird that russians themselves just take it and don't stand up.

um they did, in 1917, like no one else, ever. too bad the whole thing took a wrong turn a decade later

So they tried once a century ago, then gave up? How is this different from what I was asking? Nothing is done, violence is tolerated and glorified at home and exported to neighbors too.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Pro-russion forces will claim this report is mere propaganda - how to proof it's not?

The burden of proof is on the country that started an unprovoked, brutal war of aggression that has thrown away the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in just over a year and still insists on not referring to it as a war. If you don't want people to believe that your country is a brutal oppressive authoritarian regime, you start by not acting like one, not by crying foul when people tell stories about your brutal oppressive authoritarian habits.

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This is a category error: you're comparing US propaganda (a think the US government did and still does) with an article from a UK-based magazine that's mostly known for economics analysis. The US (and the UK) both have ample motivation (and source material) to cast Russia in a negative light. But there's a significant different in kind between "Destroy This Mad Brute"[1] and even directed journalism. [1]: https://www…

> This is a category error: you're comparing US propaganda (a think the US government did and still does) with an article from a UK-based magazine that's mostly known for economics analysis.

When you say "comparing", are you saying that an assertion of equality has been made? No such assertion exists in the text you are responding to.

And if one is simply comparing and contrasting similar things but making no claim of equality, what is the error?

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Major medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association, have published policy statements and guidelines on how to provide age-appropriate gender-affirming care. All of those medical societies find suc…

The AAP says that 0.7 percent of teens [0] identify as transgender. Is that right? That sounds really low given all of the attention this topic is getting. [0] https://www.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2018/aap-...

Yes, only a tiny minority of human beings are transgender. Even in cultures where the concept of a third gender is celebrated, it is a rare phenomenon.

Canada is the first country to provide census data on transgender and non-binary people: "Of the nearly 30.5 million people in Canada aged 15 and older living in a private household in May 2021, 100,815 were transgender (59,460) or non-binary (41,355), accounting for 0.33% of the population in this age group."

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Try following along instead of wrongly claiming scepticism towards something that is well documented.

Are you suggesting that I start blindly taking the mainstream media's reporting about war at good faith? Aren't there enough historic examples of how the American media establishment have been used to further American foreign policy objectives? I've always thought of myself as left-wing. I came of age in the 'War on Terror', and recall the collective skepticism of the American establishment. I remember the attitude o…

True and healthy skepticism requires evidence and pointing skepticism at things that deserves skepticism. Questioning whether plants produce food by photosynthesis from the light of the sun because "science" has been wrong before isn't skepticism in any meaningful sense.

Russia's roulette wheel of dishonest justifications for the war and countless other documented war crimes would lend one to directing skepticism toward questioning any legitimate humanitarian basis for this invasion. There have been a litany of other documented war crimes by Russia -- why would imprisoning dissidents trip your "skepticism" red flags?

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It seems that support for Ukraine is one aspect that crosses demographics here in the UK, Left and Right, Young and Old, Leave and Remain, all fully oppose Russia and broadly support the efforts the UK and the west in general have done. It seems to be that a significant number of people in America seem to support the Russian narrative.

You have the nostalgists on the left who remember Mother Russia as they imagined it. You have some on the right who favor Russia for some mix of liking the traditional values thing that Putin puts out, resenting implications that Trump was in his pocket, disliking the Ukraine for its connection with the first impeachment, and I don't know what all.

Ironically the false idea that Russia had so much control over US politics is itself pro-Russian propaganda that presents Russia as much more powerful than it actually is. The truth is Russia is a failing country with a crummy military whose main real power stems from being able to threaten the world with nuclear weapons. If not for that, the West probably would have sent troops to Ukraine in 2014 and the Russian invasion would have been quickly defeated.

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It is right here: https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/O-MastersJaime2022... and when CPS is told about potential abuse they can take your kids away , and this is not theoretical, it has happened.

> when CPS is told about potential abuse they can take your kids away, and this is not theoretical, it has happened

No, they cannot and no they have not. It was put on hold by the courts, and families were investigated without children being seized [1]. Together with the mass resignations at Texas’ CPS [2], it’s a potent example of the difference between a nation with the rule of law and an active civil society willing to make sacrifices and one without.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2022/03/22/1087991657/families-in-texas-...

[2] https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/11/texas-trans-child-ab...

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