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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:13 PM UTC

scottLobster wrote: post #129

Russians have never had any real individual rights. Throughout their history the common people have just been resources enslaved to brutal overlords. The Soviets were perhaps somewhat softer overlords on average, but the principle remains. The state will dispose of disobedient people the same way it would dispose of rotten potatoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZqBLcIvw0

> Russians have never had any real individual rights

Russians had a real thing going in the 19th century. Turgenev [0], for example, wrote contemporaneously around when the serfs were freed [1]. Their history went in the direction of a series strongmen, similar to China today, but there was a balancing point when it could have been different.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sportsman%27s_Sketches

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_and_Sons_(novel)

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_reform_of_1861

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by sgt » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:13 PM UTC

tromp wrote: post #78

kybernetyk wrote: post #71

Same happens with Polish kids in Norway.

citation needed

I've heard of that and I tried to google it but it's nearly impossible to find anything on it on Google anymore. Something about Child Protection in Norway taking away children if the parent was fatigued etc.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by lolinder » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:14 PM UTC

331c8c71 wrote: post #137

I don't think he's an immediate threat to society or his daughter and hence don't support the imprisonment. The portrait painted by the Economist is, however, incomplete. I guess because the details are not pretty. Mr. Moskalyov was convicted three times before this trial (but haven't served any jail time): - in 1984 for theft - in 2004 for (illegal) imprisonment without kidnapping - in 2008 for violating production/…

First, what's your source for this claim? Russia's propaganda arm is massive and working 24/7, so you can't go spouting off claims like this without telling us where you're getting your information. We need to be able to vet your source.

Second, given that we're talking about Russia's justice system, I wouldn't really care if this were true! Being convicted of a crime in Russia isn't proof you did it—it's just proof you're not in the Kremlin's good graces.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by atemerev » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:14 PM UTC

sgt wrote: post #157

atemerev wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure (I am Russian, emigrated in 2005, never been in Russia since 2014). Here are some of the actual reasons: 1) Immigration is hard. Particularly when you are not from a well-developed country with a powerful passport. You will live on a borrowed time, where the host country will invent reasons to deport you (to Russia, of course, where you most probably will be jailed in no time). I live in Switzerland for 18 years…

What happens if you marry a Swiss chick, will they give you citizenship or did they plug that hole as well?

After five years (+2 years of the process itself), while constantly checking if your marriage is still alive and well (like, spying on you or asking your neighbors or even calling your kids at 7AM if you have any; and, of course, endless interviews for both you and your wife to exclude that your marriage is fictional).

I am already married, though.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by jackmott42 » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:14 PM UTC

TechBro8615 wrote: post #84

jackmott42 wrote: post #80

The same is happening in Texas, where your kid can be taken away without trial if someone reports that they may be trans.

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It is right here: https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/O-MastersJaime2022...

and when CPS is told about potential abuse they can take your kids away, and this is not theoretical, it has happened.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by mistermann » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:14 PM UTC

wyldfire wrote: post #141

carlosjobim wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should the same apply to Western governments and their people? Should every American be held responsible for all the US war crimes and bombings in the Middle East, Africa etc? Or can that be filed under "whatabaoutism" and ignored?

> Or can that be filed under "whatabaoutism" and ignored? One does not imply the other. It can be "whataboutism" in that it doesn't respond to the Russian topic in this thread. And we needn't ignore it. Write an article about the misdeeds of the Western governments and we'll discuss them in that thread. But US war crimes and bombings don't excuse Russia's current invasion of Ukraine.

Is it not true though that we seem to get much more upset when Russia does things wrong then when we do things wrong?

Like, if we were to look at the body count of our respective militaries over the last 20 years the US military is clearly dominant in that regard, yet the outrage over Russia seems disproportional to the harm...is there not a lot of truth here that people seem less enthusiastic to discuss in the aggregate?

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by dukeofdoom » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:15 PM UTC

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #148

jawilson2 wrote: post #85

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If you want to keep up with the wave of panic sweeping the United States over transgender health care acceptance, this document is the best one I've found: http://legialerts.com/

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by jackmott42 » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:16 PM UTC

ta988 wrote: post #93

jackmott42 wrote: post #80

The same is happening in Texas, where your kid can be taken away without trial if someone reports that they may be trans.

Not true yet but it is proposed.

It is a directive from the Governor that has already caused parents to be under investigation and some have already had to flee the state.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by medo-bear » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:16 PM UTC

scottLobster wrote: post #168

medo-bear wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

perhaps. but russians were always dicks to themselves first. however, ask the american natives and the blacks what they think about individual rights in the us but then again, for sake of fairness, lest we forget that russia, as part of ussr, was a pioneer in workers, women and ethnic rights. so much so that during the 1920s if you were a trade unionist, a feminist or fighting for national liberation of your people y…

A key difference being that American society has evolved over the last 200 years to largely outgrow the cultural elements that produced those abuses. We fought a very bloody civil war to get rid of slavery, and black people/women have had the right to vote for some time. We're also not massacring Native American villages anymore. Not saying the problems are 100% solved, but no one can argue it's night and day compare…

> We fought a very bloody civil war to get rid of slavery, and black people/women have had the right to vote for some time

is that what gets taught in american schools these days? i wonder how the black and natives feel

> Putin by contrast is a return to a 19th century Tsardom in everything but name

what does tsardom mean? if anything putinism is a caricature of the russian government in Red Alert 2. by that i mean a mix of soviet and tsarist symbolism and orthodox church. its so bizzare

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by geoduck14 » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:17 PM UTC

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #156

stronglikedan wrote: post #138

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Major medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association, have published policy statements and guidelines on how to provide age-appropriate gender-affirming care. All of those medical societies find suc…

The AAP says that 0.7 percent of teens [0] identify as transgender. Is that right? That sounds really low given all of the attention this topic is getting.

[0] https://www.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2018/aap-...