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Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by _visgean »

firebaze wrote: post #22
apples_oranges wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaving the country is not easy.. you just need one grandmother that needs care and you're stuck

Also, most european countries don't allow russian¹² refugees anymore, and traveling by plane into western countries is impossible for (non-oligarch-level-wealthy) russians. ¹ germany: https://www.proasyl.de/en/news/germany-federal-office-for-mi... ² finland: https://thebarentsobserver.com/ru/node/189

I think you can easily fly to turkey and then anywhere else. Would not even be that expensive to get from istanbul to sofia..

With regards to visa some friends applied for student visa and that seems to work quite ok.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by FpUser »

Trias11 wrote: post #21
jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

Any sane person who isn't a brain-washed z-patriot has already left Russia or at least staying quiet. At this point North Korea is a democracy compared to russia.

I recommend quitting theatrics. Yes Russia implementing absolutely awful laws. They do not yet send people to labor camps en masse and living standard is still much higher.

They have quite a way to go down to NK levels. I hope that fucker Putin and his cronies gets wiped out before it happens.

Also the West is not really looking forward to accept Russian refugees / dissenters. They do send them back.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by _djo_ »

amelius wrote: post #4
anovikov wrote: post #3

It will continue for as long as it will take the world to realise that problem with Russia, is Russia itself, and it needs to be comprehensively fixed.

Russia -> some people in Russia

When apartheid South Africa was a pariah state the world held the voting population of South Africa accountable as a collective, rather than just pretending it was only the elite in government making all choices. Although the system was corrupt and hardly a full free and fair election even within the limited racial franchise the country was allowed, the white voting public and corporate and civil society elite had more power than they chose to exercise. They were generally comfortable enough with the status quo to avoid rocking the boat and had developed a national culture that justified the worst of apartheid and attacks on neighbouring countries. They had to be forced out of their comfort zone to address their role in perpetuating the system.

That became obvious when sanctions and disinvestments really bit in the late 1980s and pressure from within forced the government into reforms that ultimately ended apartheid and minority rule.

I see no reason why the same should not apply to Russia. Indeed, I think that's part of the hope by following the same sanctions plus disinvestment route.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by eitland »

jimbob45 wrote: post #11
gleenn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says he was investigated only after his daughter drew a picture in class. So it probably wasn't particularly planned. And then he fled to Belarus once he got wind of the charges.

Is vehemently disowning the art piece not enough to avoid jail or is it to the point where they’re jailing people for any excuse at all?

This is Russia. No reason is actually needed. They'll take care of making an excuse.

Last year I saw a video of a woman getting rounded up while she was being interviewed and expressing her belief in the authorities.

She was just standing with a camera team next to a demonstration. Wrong place at the wrong time I think.

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Post by golergka »

jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

Many of countries that are easy to get to easily extradite political activists and defectors back to Russia.
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