Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?
Here is one example, there are many others
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/18/biden-admini...
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#32To an observer not closely following the extraordinary cycle of internal repressions taking place in Russia following its invasion of Ukraine - the news coming out of there, such as this one - may appear sensationalized. Surely this level of judicial evil is overstated! It’s not. The show trials over alleged enemies of the state reminiscent of Stalin are becoming routine. Regular people receiving sentences of 7 years…
Sources?
> Regular people receiving sentences of 7 years in colonies for anti-war posts or statements
well apart from the from the article on which you are commenitng, you can read this https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/russia-studen...
> At the same time - convicted murderers are freed to volunteer to fight against Ukraine and are given state honors
e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/world/europe/wagner-fight...
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#33To an observer not closely following the extraordinary cycle of internal repressions taking place in Russia following its invasion of Ukraine - the news coming out of there, such as this one - may appear sensationalized. Surely this level of judicial evil is overstated! It’s not. The show trials over alleged enemies of the state reminiscent of Stalin are becoming routine. Regular people receiving sentences of 7 years…
Sources?
I don’t collect articles, but here’re some results of a google query for “russia sentences for opposing war”:
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-moscow-government-...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ilya-yashin-valdimir-put...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/dmitry-ivanov-sergei-sm...
Here’s one about Wagner:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1741299/Russia-Wagner-G...
Again, all these are just top results of a google search.
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#34Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?
A lot of people are in lower income brackets and don't have the means nor understanding where and how to leave the country.
Another big factor is that many countries have essentially closed borders for Russian nationals - i.e. US is now deporting those who are fleeing - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/18/biden-admini...
There are also few people who do want to stay in Russia and try to fight Putin there (like Navalny or Yashin).
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Leaving the country is not easy.. you just need one grandmother that needs care and you're stuck
Also, most european countries don't allow russian¹² refugees anymore, and traveling by plane into western countries is impossible for (non-oligarch-level-wealthy) russians. ¹ germany: https://www.proasyl.de/en/news/germany-federal-office-for-mi... ² finland: https://thebarentsobserver.com/ru/node/189
It's not impossible at all. Russians flying to Turkey for a vacation is still normal - yes, even ordinary middle class people. My friends living in EU are using this to meet with their family in safety.
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#36Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?
I suspect for many people the process is hard to say the least.
Where would you live? Where can you work? Will you even find a job if you legally can work? Will your rights be protected even there? What happens to family back home? Can you take enough money with?
Many people have left hastily but they seem to be people with means, or directly at risk (conscription), young men who can grit it out for a while somewhere else.
Most people don't have connections in other countries to run to.
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#37It will continue for as long as it will take the world to realise that problem with Russia, is Russia itself, and it needs to be comprehensively fixed.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article says he was investigated only after his daughter drew a picture in class. So it probably wasn't particularly planned. And then he fled to Belarus once he got wind of the charges.
Is vehemently disowning the art piece not enough to avoid jail or is it to the point where they’re jailing people for any excuse at all?
What usually happens in cases like this, is you look closer, and it turns out there was a neighbor who had wanted to build a shed on the property line, and the guy told him off, and the neighbor happens to be a member of the CP...
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article says he was investigated only after his daughter drew a picture in class. So it probably wasn't particularly planned. And then he fled to Belarus once he got wind of the charges.
Is vehemently disowning the art piece not enough to avoid jail or is it to the point where they’re jailing people for any excuse at all?
The point is to spread fear of any action or even thought against the regime.