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Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

Any sane person who isn't a brain-washed z-patriot has already left Russia or at least staying quiet.

At this point North Korea is a democracy compared to russia.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

Leaving the country is not easy.. you just need one grandmother that needs care and you're stuck

Also, most european countries don't allow russian¹² refugees anymore, and traveling by plane into western countries is impossible for (non-oligarch-level-wealthy) russians.

¹ germany: https://www.proasyl.de/en/news/germany-federal-office-for-mi... ² finland: https://thebarentsobserver.com/ru/node/189

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It will continue for as long as it will take the world to realise that problem with Russia, is Russia itself, and it needs to be comprehensively fixed.

Russia -> some people in Russia

Putin has had high approval ratings for years. Not only because they clamped down on any opposition, but also because Russians simply don't care.

This is not just a "Putin" problem.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Wagner leader Prigozhin made a statement against this one as part of his internal politics war. So in case people are questioning whether this is just western propaganda, no, it appears to be the same story running around domestically, with many ultra nationalists supporting it.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure the problem is a circle of oligarchs, cronies, and ex-KGB turning the government into a sadistic mob state, and their citizens poor as hell.

This seems pretty similar to descriptions of Russia in 1918 as well. What's up with this place? Maybe it's the cultural influence of the Mongol invasion?

Yeah, I think the Mongols broke Russia to the yoke of Empire.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

Need to have something to go to.

The dissidents still stuck in Russia are for the most part people that would not be able to succeed at all in Europe. Big name scientists left during the 90s, people who succeeded economically started leaving post 2008(once Putin/bureaucrats started clamping down on free business) and the last of both groups got out once the conflict started.

I mean at this point in time most European/ex-USSR countries have put measures in place to prevent dissenters escaping there, so it also isn't easy even if you do have skills.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

Leaving Russia is difficult and takes a lot of money and connections. Most people don't have that or have other reasons not to. It's "smart" to stay quiet and not put yourself in danger but people like Moskalyov are compelled to at least say something.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

From your question I can guess you most likely live in a developed country with a great passport and/or have a career where you make great money enabling you to move country whenever you want.

But for everyone else, to leave their country and move somewhere else legally, you need a visa, and a lot of money, which not everyone in Russia has.

Most countries where Russians left en masses to due to lax visa requirements, pushed the rent prices there to 2x-4x till today. Not great for the locals and not great for the Russians also trying to move there. And most western counties aren't in a rush to issue visas to all Russians.

Unless you have relatives abroad to help you out, or a skilled lucrative profession enabling you to save money and get a visa, you're screwed.

And that's besides the whole ordeal of leaving vulnerable family members behind.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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To an observer not closely following the extraordinary cycle of internal repressions taking place in Russia following its invasion of Ukraine - the news coming out of there, such as this one - may appear sensationalized. Surely this level of judicial evil is overstated! It’s not. The show trials over alleged enemies of the state reminiscent of Stalin are becoming routine. Regular people receiving sentences of 7 years…

Sources?

Is this question in good faith? Wagner recruiting from prisons have been widely reported.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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To an observer not closely following the extraordinary cycle of internal repressions taking place in Russia following its invasion of Ukraine - the news coming out of there, such as this one - may appear sensationalized. Surely this level of judicial evil is overstated! It’s not. The show trials over alleged enemies of the state reminiscent of Stalin are becoming routine. Regular people receiving sentences of 7 years…

Sources?

Do you read Russian?
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