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If you forbid ads, then only political propaganda with bring funding to content creators. It’s not just because you hide money that it’s not there.
His point was to show ads only to adults.
I'd prefer not to see ads.
The case for banning children from social media
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The government checks or disallows many things, i.e. drugs. Individualism is strong in the US, but if parents sucks kids suffer.
Yes, the war on drugs has been really successful. I certainly want governments doing more of that!
Libertarians hate to hear this but the government actually regulate lots of things, not just drugs. Many of these regulations are very successful.
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#383A new law in the EU will ban showing ads and using personal data for kids. Here in Norway we have had general ban on showing ads to kids for decades, but it was made in the TV age and has not been enforced on social media. We can't outright ban social media (for a lot of different reasons), but we can regulate away the most harmfull aspects. One of the fundemental underlying problems is the lack of good privacy laws.…
I don't think that ads are the main problem of social media. It's rather the way they replace personal physical relationships with scrolling.
That is an inherent problem with screens in general, especially mobile ones, as it is such a powerful attention grabing arena.
I'm trying to be pragmatic when I propose to curb the use of algorithm driven feeds and limit businesses to gather massive amounts of highly personal data thats is used to train algorithms to become even more effective attention grabbers.
There has to be limits to what a government can regulate or ban. Being social online should not be banned. Allowing companies to inject themselfs and interfere in our social interactions, gather almost unlimited data and use it to exploit our psychological quirks and weaknesses should be.
EDIT: And I agree that for the user, the ads are not the main problem. However, ads are the main incentive for businesses to do whatever they can to grab your attention, and this is a big problem.
Re: The case for banning children from social media
#384There is a real public health issue here. Teen mental health really has fallen off a cliff in the last 10 years, in every measure available. Self-reported rates of depression and anxiety disorders have more than doubled. Suicides of 10-14 year olds have more than doubled. Suicides among 14-19 year olds have gone up ~50%. Hospital admissions for non-fatal self harm in girls 10-14 have ~tripled. It's not just an increa…
> Lots of people on HN have a strong reaction against any attempt to regulate the internet, from generations of moral panics about new things. No. That is absolutely not why and betrays precisely the lack of understanding about these things that causes such a response to begin with. Any time you find yourself dismissing widely held concerns you should take a step back and reevaluate if you haven't missed something. P…
When did the right for a child to use a social media application become a thing?
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Thankfully, America is not yet operating in the political reality of The Handmaid's Tale, much as you might wish it to be so.
I feel like that’s a hyperbolic take. Outside forces injecting chaos into the internal workings of a family are about as bad as things can get for a growing child. What’s the problem with deferring sexual issues to adulthood when you’re more mature?
What makes you think that a marriage between two people gives them absolute knowledge how to raise a child in an optimal way?
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> It's not clear how you could effectively regulate this stuff It's not hard. It just upsets vested interests. Make it illegal to show ads to kids. You don't have to make "kid" identification airtight, because few people of any age want to opt into ads. The ad industry was very upset when the American Psychological Association proposed this back in 2004.[1] This doesn't raise constitutional issues because ads are con…
Another problem is the definition of "ad". Is kid playing with fancy toys is an ad? Is product placement in movie an ad? How and who will determine if this is and ad or not?
Probably yes, so movies for kids should not have them I guess.
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I didn't know any kids who were addicted to soccer in the sense of spending 15+ hours 365 days per year playing soccer. It's just not feasible physically.
Ok, fellow southern European and Latin American HN folks, help me out here.
Football was practically the only sport we could play (anything can be a ball if it can be kicked) but you can only play at recess and after school outside. And most of the time is hanging out with kids learning social norms (you lose sometimes, somebody may be better than you, it is mostly a team effort, rules are for a reason,…). I’m glad I got to spend my childhood offline.
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What problem does that fix? It’s not particularly the corporations that are a bad influence on the kids, it’s their own peer group.
Ah, the subtle aspect you're missing: it is the corporations that created and promote the environment in which the kids abuse one another. It's similar to creating a large park, and then not policing the situation when bullies take over the park, and probably also accepting payments of some kind from the bullies for their extraordinary access to the corporation's "park for people and kids".
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Sounds a lot like, "I stopped drinking because it became a problem, so everyone else should too."
Drinking causes severe societal ills and is unhealthy in any amount. Everyone should indeed stop drinking. We should tax alcohol until it is unaffordable for the vast majority.
I'm glad the vast majority of people disagree with you. I will continue to drink when I want to. Everyone should not stop drinking.
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18.. hell I’m close to 40 and I have trouble self regulating. YouTube needs an option to disable shorts. It’s just not healthy. TikTok I won’t even touch it. It’s virtualized crack.
It's your (our) generation who built all this stuff. We thought it would be "neat".
It's a very small subset of our generation that built all this stuff.