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Post by te_chris »

easytiger wrote: post #560
te_chris wrote: post #243

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The lime bikes are wonderful. I’ll fight you and anyone else who tries to take them away again. You pic shows them towards a corner kerb with space behind.

They are blocking the pavement. They are a disease. Their value to you is derived from the inconvenience they cause to others. https://i.imgur.com/oeQjcJS.png

Cars literally kill people.

They don’t always block the pavement.

They deliver far more to the city than they inconvenience. I say this as someone who has to push a stroller around.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by te_chris »

anhner wrote: post #212
renewiltord wrote: post #187

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I just walk past them when I'm not using them. Very easy. Hardly a problem.

Perhaps because you don't have a disability or a stroller with a young child so that you can comfortably and effortlessly avoid them...

They’re fine with a stroller mostly. From personal experience around Hackney, Islington and Haringey.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

RestlessMind wrote: post #549
TheHappyOddish wrote: post #547

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I've been to over 20 countries, many of which I'd consider modern world. I would have been to > 80 cities. I spent months in both Vancouver and Torono without a car, and both have perfectly workable public transport systems, with Toronto's being a bit better. Both are better than every US city I've been to, and scooters replace neither. India is a third world country with a pretty low standard of living. I haven't be…

> both have perfectly workable public transport systems Only if you confine yourself to downtowns. Which is why I said metro areas . > India is a third world country It is a third world country with lots of modern parts. If you don't think Mumbai or Bangalore or modern cities, that just means you have a very different definition of what modern means.

You seems to have missed the context of this comment chain. We were discussing cities. I have no idea what a "metro" or "downtown" is.

> I’d be careful about extrapolating these results across cities. In most American cities, for example, I’m going to replace an e-scooter with an Uber.

I also never said modern cities, I said "the modern world", of which India would generally not be considered part of. I may have defined that poorly though, my bad.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by ehnto »

easytiger wrote: post #559
ehnto wrote: post #550

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It's not clear what you are implying. Could you elaborate?

That you know these bikes and scooters blocking pavements is a social ill but you do not care because it is convenient for a fraction of a percent of commuters

Ah I see, thank you. I think they are a blight as well, but less of a blight than car dominance in city centres. If you can barely fit a pram past a scooter on your footpath, see the bigger picture, your footpath is tool small. You have given all your space to non-mixed road traffic or parking.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by easytiger »

te_chris wrote: post #561
easytiger wrote: post #560

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They are blocking the pavement. They are a disease. Their value to you is derived from the inconvenience they cause to others. https://i.imgur.com/oeQjcJS.png

Cars literally kill people. They don’t always block the pavement. They deliver far more to the city than they inconvenience. I say this as someone who has to push a stroller around.

https://i.imgur.com/j1bRBp5.png

I've been pushing someone in a wheel chair for about a year now. Trust me. This is no trivial matter

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by forgetfreeman »

bluecalm wrote: post #312
forgetfreeman wrote: post #123

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Here rental scooters are an absolute plague. Their riders routinely ignore both traffic laws and common sense and are a threat to both themselves and pedestrians. There's talk of some form of crackdown amongst the local city council members and I would be delighted to see them banned outright.

Just ban cars first. They are big, dangerous, smelly, loud, driven too fast and they actually kill thousands of people per year, not just cause dangerous situations. Any problem e-scooters have is multiple times worse with cars and they actually have 95+% of the infrastructure dedicated to them and aren't forced into narrow parts of sidewalk called bike lines.

That's about the most aggressively entitled take I've come across to date. Rental e-scooters are bullshit convenience and entertainment devices. What's your plan for hauling groceries for a family of 3, taking kids to the doctor, or hitting the car line twice a day for pickup/dropoff? Uber? Tf they gonna show up in, a rickshaw?

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by ljf »

capableweb wrote: post #334
ljf wrote: post #271

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Firstly you need somewhere to keep the bike, inside is great but outside space can work, though you are at risk of having it stolen. The main advantage is having it where you need it - maybe you got the metro or the bus to work and now you want to go on somewhere else. Your bike is at home. Then you want to head to a friends house, but there is nowhere safe to leave your bike but you'd be happy to leave the rental sc…

But those same arguments can be made for rentable bikes? Nothing unique with e-scooters in particular.

No you are right and I agree many of the benefits overlap - but I know far more people in London that have tried the scooters compared to people that have tried the various hire bikes, plus know more regular scooter hirer'ers than regular bike hires. But that is just my anecdote - sure it could be wrong

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Post by easytiger »

ehnto wrote: post #564
easytiger wrote: post #559

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That you know these bikes and scooters blocking pavements is a social ill but you do not care because it is convenient for a fraction of a percent of commuters

Ah I see, thank you. I think they are a blight as well, but less of a blight than car dominance in city centres. If you can barely fit a pram past a scooter on your footpath, see the bigger picture, your footpath is tool small. You have given all your space to non-mixed road traffic or parking.

I've worked in London for near on 20 years. The people using these are not using them as an alternative to a car. If you look about in Z1 the congestion comes from poor road management and an uptick in commercial traffic.

But sure, as a plumber to come to your house on his bike. See how that goes.

The footpaths have been rougly the same around where i live for 4/500 years.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by ehnto »

easytiger wrote: post #569
ehnto wrote: post #564

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Ah I see, thank you. I think they are a blight as well, but less of a blight than car dominance in city centres. If you can barely fit a pram past a scooter on your footpath, see the bigger picture, your footpath is tool small. You have given all your space to non-mixed road traffic or parking.

I've worked in London for near on 20 years. The people using these are not using them as an alternative to a car. If you look about in Z1 the congestion comes from poor road management and an uptick in commercial traffic. But sure, as a plumber to come to your house on his bike. See how that goes. The footpaths have been rougly the same around where i live for 4/500 years.

I haven't spoken about commuting at all. My core point is that car centric city centres sacrificed their space for people to cars, and that blaming scooters for the lack of space was missing the forest for the trees. The fact that you can't fit a pram past a scooter is the same reason businesses can't do alfresco dining, mothers on bicycles have to ride amongst cars, peds have to wait at crossings, walking anywhere is unpleasant and your children can't ride their bikes to school, etc etc. I am not going to pretend it hasn't happened and shift blame to everything but cars just because it's the current status quo.

Before cars your 400 year old road was mixed use, and your plumber certainly didn't turn up in a box van. When cars turned up, everything got pushed onto the sidewalk to make way for cars. It wasn't so long ago, there is no shortage of film of how cities used to be before cars.

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