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My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Are all the old vulnerabilities patched up adequately? Are all old expoloits defeated?

They are running a Chrome from 2016, so they are vulnerable to ~every exploit found in Chrome since then.

That's not how (modern) SW works. Ever heard of "new features and security improvements" ?

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Sure. Have fun : https://www.opencve.io/cve?product=chrome&vendor=google

I honestly have no idea whether you are supporting what was said with that link, or objecting to it. Anyway, I was talking about being inquiring. When you look at that list, surely, some questions do rise. “Why should I worry about all of that to read three paragraphs of text on some webpage?” “Which actions have made it so?” “What should be done to fix it?” Right?

I am objecting to what you are saying. It's terrible advice and an obtuse vision of the complexity of software nowadays, especially web browser.

Yes, a 3 months old release of chrome is not suited to use day to day. I link all the known and published CVE on chrome, but if you want to nickpick you could "just" check those which start with 2023-*.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Really? Isn't that a thing of the past? In the last 10 years all my updates on Mac and Windows alike have been a matter of clicking OK and waiting 30-60 minutes. On Linux and BSD I've had some more issues at times but that's been more because of my own messing around.

Windows, and more generally Microsoft, updates regularly break things. Each time I see the update notification I kind of shudder. A notable one from 2018 was literally deleting user files. [1] Whenever there's an update for e.g. Visual Studio, I think most have learned that it's smart to wait for the update to the update. And see if there's an update for the update to the update, before finally risking going through…

Ok I don't really use the 'full' Visual Studio much. Only the community edition inside Unity. But also there I have not had any issues.

I don't like the way VS went from a package to software as a service though :( But Microsoft just love their subscriptions.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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> This is not a sensible or technically sound thing to do. It is purely irrational. It is not purely irrational, in fact it is spelled right out in the article why the author does so: he finds the Windows XP interface much better as a user than any other OS. I can't say i fully agree personally, but the core of the problem and really the reason i don't see any of this as irrational is that people do get used to the i…

Doesn't MATE or other FOSS DE try to emulate an XP-like feel but a bit more modernized?

There are definitely options there. IceWM for example is very much like old windows, and is blazingly fast.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Really? Isn't that a thing of the past? In the last 10 years all my updates on Mac and Windows alike have been a matter of clicking OK and waiting 30-60 minutes. On Linux and BSD I've had some more issues at times but that's been more because of my own messing around.

In Ubuntu, there is a setting to have all security updates happen automatically every day in the background without ever having to bother the user. And its been that way for over a decade. You don't have to be alerted, wait, and restart your whole computer for every little thing. I'm surprised how Mac/Windows still never bothered to catch up. The user should not be bothered by trivial maintenance tasks that the OS sh…

My daily driver is FreeBSD and it doesn't have this, but even still it's not much of a bother at all. I just reboot when there is a need to and am back running in 5 minutes.

Of course Linux has this live patching thing to the kernel which is pretty cool. But I thought you needed an Ubuntu One subscription to access that on Ubuntu?

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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This would have been a viable path, when WebKit was still "a thing" and enjoyed some integration. I guess, with WebKit2, things became more complicated and resource heavy. Given the rapid development cycles and feature releases, I doubt an integrated web-view would be able to keep up, nowadays. Esp., if nothing short of 100% compatibility to current Chrome will do. (That said, Firefox 78.15.0esr works still fine in m…

> The newest browser you can run on this is Firefox 78.15.0esr I'll guess you'll be happy to see this: https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy :)

This is what I used on my 10.9 machine. Works great!

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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The problem with the newer options is that they are not paid strictly with money anymore. Windows 10/11 use a ton of telemetry you can't turn off. I use them anyway but only for gaming to limit my exposure. > Many vendors of on-promise proprietary software do the same-databases, middleware, ERP suites, etc-most of them have a special program for customers who want to stay on really old versions You can't really compa…

> The problem with the newer options is that they are not paid strictly with money anymore. Windows 10/11 use a ton of telemetry you can't turn off. Enterprise, Server and Education licenses support "Diagnostic Data Off" telemetry level. I think they'll sell Server to anyone, and even though Enterprise is only sold to "businesses", it doesn't cost much to set up a corporation, and now you are a business customer. Not…

> Apple is a much more privacy-friendly company than Microsoft.

I'm not in agreement here. Apple likes to paint themselves as more privacy-friendly, yes. Whether they actually are is another story.

They have a lot better PR that prevents them from doing stupid skullduggery like unwanted news and "special offers" and "payment plans" in edge. But a Mac calls home a lot even when you are turning telemetry "off".

I'll try the enterprise version (I have MDSN) but last time I checked it I am pretty sure it gave the same options.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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These will keep one running XP perhaps for a little while longer (on qemu on ipad, or other machine). With One-Core-API Chrome 102 works.

https://github.com/tumagonx/xompie/ https://i430vx.net/files/win32/ https://github.com/Skulltrail192/One-Core-API-Binaries/issue... https://github.com/Skulltrail192/One-Core-API-Binaries/issue...

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