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My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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None of Microsoft's operating systems were as good as Windows XP and at least one (8) was a complete disaster, the shock waves from that catastrophe still rumbling around. By failing to reproduce that success, Microsoft has ceded most of the moral market share to Apple. Though, as a Linux user, every time I see a Mac desktop I can't resist noticing how often would it lock up and display that rotating "busy" mouse cur…

This is not even a radical viewpoint, which is why the downvotes seem irrational. I have seen "normies" pontificating on how Windows XP was perfect for them and how they have seen no benefit going forward. If I am being maximally charitable, the benefits that come afterwards are drivers, gaming-related (DirectX) or security-related (which is not a user-facing feature). All of them are nice, but not at the cost that t…

My daily driver computing timeline is something like Win3.1, 95, 98, ME, XP, OSX 10.4-10.11, then some combo of Ubuntu/Pop_OS.

I think Windows peaked with XP and macOS with Snow Leopard, with the caveats that Spotlight-like searching in both was primitive/nonexistent at that time and would have been a great improvement, and XP didn't have virtual desktops.

That 2001-2006 era featured systems that had learned a bunch of lessons from 10-20 years of mainstream GUI computing, but hadn't been consumed by feature bloat and a bunch of Internet connectivity and convergence stuff that I'm not interested in.

XP's design was apparently polarizing but I loved it. I was in a modding phase at that point and loved making my own themes.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Project Zero is a list of known vulnerabilities. It is not a comprehensive list of all vulnerabilities.

Does it matter? An attacker has to know about a vulnerability to use it. Unless there's some reason that security researchers would be more focused on vulnerabilities in new systems than attackers are, or something like that.

I would assume that security researchers and most attackers go after what the general public has. But I wonder, are there still a bunch of old industrial/medical machines running XP?

Now I have the mental image of some intelligence guy working on a “get into our geopolitical rivals’ grid in case there’s a war and we need to cause a blackout” discovering the author of the post.

Maybe he will meet up with some friends in “assorted fraud” industry at the local after work watering hole and they can nostalgically steal the post author’s bitcoins together. Hacking an XP machine might trigger a midlife crisis though.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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> But I store some crypto currency on my computer and I make crypto transactions from time to time. If my computer had been compromised by an invisible attacker I figure that attacker would have had an interest in crypto assets.

Well that's an interesting idea for detecting certain classes of hackers.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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If I could, I’d still be running Windows NT 4.0 just for the simplicity and GUI. It was the best OS to come out if Redmond. I wish they had stuck with their “workstation” strategy, but unfortunately not.

I long for the white on dark blue boot screen. So stylish!

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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> 10 was gold, 11 is trash If you think 10 is "gold" and 11 is "trash" I assume you're suffering from some sort of stockholm syndrome from using 10 too long and haven't actually tried 11 yet because it's just a reskinned 10 (and visually, it looks a lot better).

haven't actually tried 11 yet because it's just a reskinned 10 (and visually, it looks a lot better). I've been on 11 since it was released and I find it to be objectively a worse experience. On Win 10, I could game on one screen and stream a video in a browser on the other. On Win 11, I get stuttering on the streamed video. It's also failed to update twice now. I invested hours into debugging the issue the first tim…

> It's also failed to update twice now. I invested hours into debugging the issue the first time. This time it's been days and I'm about to just do a fresh Win 10 install over this nightmare.

My current 11 install has never failed to update, but I have experienced various update failures before on 10. This sort of issue is present in both versions, it's just random whether you'll experience it or not, and I wouldn't be surprised if the stuttering issue is just some random driver incompatibility too.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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This is not a sensible or technically sound thing to do. It is purely irrational. Win7 is already stuck on Chrome 110/111(?). You are not gaining much by doing this, and are assuming significant risk. Even if specific portions can be quantified away, it's the unknown unknowns that should scare you. Try a Linux distro again maybe? With some non-default themes and Wine, it really should make a better WinXP than WinXP.…

"We're going to write security updates for this OS but we won't give them to you" is such psychopathic behavior.

A lot about modern proprietary OSes is psychopathic lol

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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I have a Windows 7 Professional system with my startup's software in some boxes and, since now my office is functional enough, am about to get that system powered up and running again.

So, here's a piece of information relevant to security and versions of Windows, I'd like to give exact and really clear references instead of working just from memory, but for such references just now I'd have to do a lot of digging.

From memory, I discovered that one of the security updates to Windows 7 Professional, as I recall, the last one, was the same as for a version of Windows Server.

So I guess: Since that version of Windows Server was intended for some of the most serious business computing on the planet, that security update should be pretty good, maybe good enough to be pretty good now!

I've been intending to use Windows 7 Professional as my server for my startup, but ... I'm also considering some version of Windows Server. I do notice that it appears that the versions of Windows Server go much longer, years longer, before "end of life" or "end of support" than the versions of Windows not Windows Server.

So, I'm considering getting a version of Windows Server 2019. I've done the shopping and am intending to buy.

Also I'm thinking of using my computer with Windows 7 Professional as my general purpose and software development computer (it is where I wrote the 100,000 lines of code for my startup) and plug together a new computer for the server for the Web site, etc. That computer would run Windows Server 2019.

I would like to know more about Windows Server, e.g., version 2019, as in

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35212144

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