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My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by bakugo »

capableweb wrote: post #4
thriftwy wrote: post #2

None of Microsoft's operating systems were as good as Windows XP and at least one (8) was a complete disaster, the shock waves from that catastrophe still rumbling around. By failing to reproduce that success, Microsoft has ceded most of the moral market share to Apple. Though, as a Linux user, every time I see a Mac desktop I can't resist noticing how often would it lock up and display that rotating "busy" mouse cur…

95 was trash, 98 was gold. XP was great, Vista was trash. 7 was great, 8 was trash. 10 was gold, 11 is trash. Seems Microsoft has to squeeze in at least one bad version between good ones. But never has a new Windows version been made available where people didn't initially hate them at first, XP, 7, and 10 included. It's not until the version after gets released when people really start appreciating what once was.

> 10 was gold, 11 is trash

If you think 10 is "gold" and 11 is "trash" I assume you're suffering from some sort of stockholm syndrome from using 10 too long and haven't actually tried 11 yet because it's just a reskinned 10 (and visually, it looks a lot better).

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by extr0pian »

branon wrote: post #57

This is not a sensible or technically sound thing to do. It is purely irrational. Win7 is already stuck on Chrome 110/111(?). You are not gaining much by doing this, and are assuming significant risk. Even if specific portions can be quantified away, it's the unknown unknowns that should scare you. Try a Linux distro again maybe? With some non-default themes and Wine, it really should make a better WinXP than WinXP.…

The author said that their experiences with Linux was slow (Debian and Lubuntu were examples) and had no intention of using Linux because of these experiences.

Personally, I don't know what they're talking about, but I've always had a smoother/faster (albeit a bit clunky/glitchy sometimes) with Linux than Windows. Even when I dual booted Win7 and Ubuntu, Linux was always faster. Currently, I'm using XFCE w/ Arch on a 6 year old laptop. Programs open very fast, I get regular sw updates, and I've been running it for work for four years.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by javchz »

extr0pian wrote: post #73
branon wrote: post #57

This is not a sensible or technically sound thing to do. It is purely irrational. Win7 is already stuck on Chrome 110/111(?). You are not gaining much by doing this, and are assuming significant risk. Even if specific portions can be quantified away, it's the unknown unknowns that should scare you. Try a Linux distro again maybe? With some non-default themes and Wine, it really should make a better WinXP than WinXP.…

The author said that their experiences with Linux was slow (Debian and Lubuntu were examples) and had no intention of using Linux because of these experiences. Personally, I don't know what they're talking about, but I've always had a smoother/faster (albeit a bit clunky/glitchy sometimes) with Linux than Windows. Even when I dual booted Win7 and Ubuntu, Linux was always faster. Currently, I'm using XFCE w/ Arch on a…

I would bet on GPU driver issues. Some cards without the right driver can force CPU rendering making it extremely slow

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by zamadatix »

causality0 wrote: post #68
branon wrote: post #57

This is not a sensible or technically sound thing to do. It is purely irrational. Win7 is already stuck on Chrome 110/111(?). You are not gaining much by doing this, and are assuming significant risk. Even if specific portions can be quantified away, it's the unknown unknowns that should scare you. Try a Linux distro again maybe? With some non-default themes and Wine, it really should make a better WinXP than WinXP.…

"We're going to write security updates for this OS but we won't give them to you" is such psychopathic behavior.

The extended update programs are/were only available for corporate users as it's a pay-to-subsidize-availability program that costs more per year than the original OS license. While you may disagree if that's good or not jumping straight to labeling it psychopathic behavior seems more like an argument which came from a conclusion than the other way around.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by samplatt »

bakugo wrote: post #69
jollyllama wrote: post #64

Many times have I lost hours, days, or functionality that was never regained to an update/"upgrade." Never have I had my personal computer owned by some exploit that resulted in data loss/breach. Thus, undesired upgrades are a greater risk for personal computing than security. Simple as.

Corporations like Microsoft have successfully hammered this idea into people's heads that the evil hacker known as Anonymous will hack into your fridge and make it explode and burn your house down if you forget to update it for two weeks. Almost nobody who makes a big deal out of this has ever actually been affected by it, they're just parroting what they're told.

>Almost nobody who makes a big deal out of this has ever actually been affected by it, they're just parroting what they're told.

Either that or they're paid to come and clean up the mess after a company has been hacked due to one or two random servers not being updated in the last few years.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by bakugo »

parker_mountain wrote: post #38

>My belief is that computer security is highly overrated. With a decent firewall, which every router has these days, only your own activity can expose you to attack from hostile actors. All internet browsers also help you by warning when you are about to do something stupid like executing code from a remote source. This is a ridiculous thing to say. The reason that there are so few misleading ads, so few zero days be…

> The reason that there are so few misleading ads

I can open youtube on my phone right now and find an ad saying "everyone who clicks here will get $1000", misleading ads are still everywhere even if they might not be malware. And I doubt ads exploiting browser 0-days were actually that common back in the day, ads in general weren't nearly as common.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by dragonwriter »

bakugo wrote: post #71
capableweb wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

95 was trash, 98 was gold. XP was great, Vista was trash. 7 was great, 8 was trash. 10 was gold, 11 is trash. Seems Microsoft has to squeeze in at least one bad version between good ones. But never has a new Windows version been made available where people didn't initially hate them at first, XP, 7, and 10 included. It's not until the version after gets released when people really start appreciating what once was.

> 10 was gold, 11 is trash If you think 10 is "gold" and 11 is "trash" I assume you're suffering from some sort of stockholm syndrome from using 10 too long and haven't actually tried 11 yet because it's just a reskinned 10 (and visually, it looks a lot better).

> I assume you’re suffering from some sort of Stockholm syndrome

Periodic reminder that “Stockholm Syndrome” was a complete fabrication based on no clinical evidence invented on the spot to discredit an ex-hostage who was making legitimate criticism of an unnecessarily violent police intervention by one of the architects of that intervention, because they had no rational defense.

Its invocations in debates are also typically as an attempt at a thought-terminating trope to evoke an emotional response that covers the lack of actual argument, which fits the history of the term well.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by bakugo »

samplatt wrote: post #76
bakugo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations like Microsoft have successfully hammered this idea into people's heads that the evil hacker known as Anonymous will hack into your fridge and make it explode and burn your house down if you forget to update it for two weeks. Almost nobody who makes a big deal out of this has ever actually been affected by it, they're just parroting what they're told.

>Almost nobody who makes a big deal out of this has ever actually been affected by it, they're just parroting what they're told. Either that or they're paid to come and clean up the mess after a company has been hacked due to one or two random servers not being updated in the last few years.

Servers (especially corporate ones) are an entirely different matter. This post is specifically about personal devices that probably aren't running any server software and are almost definitely behind a firewall.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by PostOnce »

jollyllama wrote: post #64

Many times have I lost hours, days, or functionality that was never regained to an update/"upgrade." Never have I had my personal computer owned by some exploit that resulted in data loss/breach. Thus, undesired upgrades are a greater risk for personal computing than security. Simple as.

That's not sound logic.

Your point may or may not be true, but it doesn't follow from your logic.

I've had more e-ink devices fail by being knocked into the river while fishing than I have from any other cause of accident, does that mean fishing is the most common cause of e-ink device death because it's my personal anecdotal experience? I doubt it.

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