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A Moment of Clarity in the Pursuit of Happiness

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""" Spending 2 years doing something you don’t enjoy is a full 3.4% of your life. What are you getting back for that investment? Money? What are you going to do with that money that will be worth the non-refundable 3.4% of your life? An extra room in your house?""" This is beautiful. In a world where everything has to be justified by "the bottom line", it's easy to forget why we're making money. Along those lines, I…

3.4% of your life is not much if you get Facebook equity and end up with millions. The hardest part - I think - is that you are not assured at all to get rich. You might end up spend 3.4% of your life to buy you a new car and that's it.

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Many are willing to suffer unhappiness so that their children might be more successful. At 31 it's something of a pattern I've begun to see in my peers.

I'm starting to realize that those who do what they love find more success than those who do what they "need" to do in the long term. I'm fairly sure that the children would also rather have parents who are having fun and are happy than those that are sad and bored but bring in an extra $20,000 a year.

I don't have children though, so I can't really empathize on a deep level, I'm just going by intuition.

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Both the Jobs quote and the Csikszentmihalyi quote are stimulating and useful perspectives on the same general topic, but Taby seems to be thinking rather fuzzily by relating the quotes and ideas so closely.

Csikszentmihalyi is saying that happiness is an inner, private cultivation that is not dependent on outside events.

However, Steve Jobs, one of the richest and most powerful men on the planet (while he was alive), says he has been having his own way every day for 30 years. Jobs literally had the means to do just what he wanted to do each day for many years.

The first idea is about being happy regardless of your circumstances. The second idea is about being happy because you figured out how to get what you want out of other people and insisted on it.

And actually I don't see the other quote as being nearly as closely related as he thinks either. That one sounded like dying people were just admitting that they were depressed and wished they had tried harder to make more friends in their senior years.

What I've heard is that genetic bio- and neuro- chemistry play a significant role in happiness, so you have to realistically incorporate that. However, obviously the core conception of the self's orientation towards the world must be partially learned and so training can affect contentment also.

Studies have also shown that the higher one is on the social ladder, the less stress one experiences. So climbing the social ladder will lead to less stress and therefore greater happiness. And most people would agree that having friends is key to happiness also.

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""" Spending 2 years doing something you don’t enjoy is a full 3.4% of your life. What are you getting back for that investment? Money? What are you going to do with that money that will be worth the non-refundable 3.4% of your life? An extra room in your house?""" This is beautiful. In a world where everything has to be justified by "the bottom line", it's easy to forget why we're making money. Along those lines, I…

3.4% of your life is not much if you get Facebook equity and end up with millions. The hardest part - I think - is that you are not assured at all to get rich. You might end up spend 3.4% of your life to buy you a new car and that's it.

Hm. So say I got Facebook equity and ended up with millions. My question is why? What can I possibly do with that money that will make it worth it?

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This is something I tried very hard to teach my kids, basically that everyone gets to choose how they are going to feel about something, and understanding what set of conditions lead up to the choice you made can help you understand yourself and the world around you.

The typical kid complaint is that someone 'makes fun' of something that they are passionate about and that makes them feel 'bad' (ashamed, angry, annoyed, Etc.) The weird thing is that if you look deeply at the feeling of feeling bad, its feeling bad that you feel good about something that someone else things you should feel bad about. How twisted is that? If you can change 'feeling bad' to feeling empathy for the person who doesn't understand how cool this thing is that you enjoy so much, you both don't lose your happiness, and you have a way to contextualize the other persons opinions that don't put your happiness at risk.

That being said, its never easy. Emotions never are. But I read a great article in Reader's Digest about a guy who was being rushed to the emergency room for a gunshot wound to his shoulder. Along the way a nurse was taking a medical history and she asked 'Allergies?'. His response was "Lead apparently, I got some in my shoulder and it hurts like hell!" Here is a guy going into emergency surgery cracking jokes, he has chosen not to be negative or angry, he has chosen to be happy. That really struck me, I don't think I could be so charitable after being shot.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

3.4% of your life is not much if you get Facebook equity and end up with millions. The hardest part - I think - is that you are not assured at all to get rich. You might end up spend 3.4% of your life to buy you a new car and that's it.

Hm. So say I got Facebook equity and ended up with millions. My question is why ? What can I possibly do with that money that will make it worth it?

Not spend the next 34% of your life working on something you don't love, for one. Even in our current technological state, a life of toil on things you don't love is the default state of a human being.

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Both the Jobs quote and the Csikszentmihalyi quote are stimulating and useful perspectives on the same general topic, but Taby seems to be thinking rather fuzzily by relating the quotes and ideas so closely. Csikszentmihalyi is saying that happiness is an inner, private cultivation that is not dependent on outside events. However, Steve Jobs, one of the richest and most powerful men on the planet (while he was alive)…

Csikszentmihalyi is saying that Happiness is a self-made choice. The quote from the dying people supported and added context to the same idea.

The Steve Jobs quote is probably the most unrelated, you're right. I included it because I felt that it gave a good practical example of what it means to introspect, judge, and measure your own fulfillment. The overarching idea I'm trying to get across is to drop the social pressure to "keep your head down, don't make a lot of noise, and you'll get your paycheck every two weeks".

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""" Spending 2 years doing something you don’t enjoy is a full 3.4% of your life. What are you getting back for that investment? Money? What are you going to do with that money that will be worth the non-refundable 3.4% of your life? An extra room in your house?""" This is beautiful. In a world where everything has to be justified by "the bottom line", it's easy to forget why we're making money. Along those lines, I…

I was inspired and agree with most of this article but when I got to these last few lines I thought, "Sure, I am getting money back for my investment, but that money is supporting my family - putting food on the table, gas in the car and a roof over our heads". That's not a bad investment. It's very hard to drop everything and seek what it is that makes you happy when you have a family depending on you.

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This is something I tried very hard to teach my kids, basically that everyone gets to choose how they are going to feel about something, and understanding what set of conditions lead up to the choice you made can help you understand yourself and the world around you. The typical kid complaint is that someone 'makes fun' of something that they are passionate about and that makes them feel 'bad' (ashamed, angry, annoye…

Your point about kids made me think of this story (Found out about it through The Talent Code) > http://www.pbs.org/marktwain/learnmore/writings_tom.html
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