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Post by the_mar »

renewiltord wrote: post #179
carlmr wrote: post #177

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Actually yes, in Germany if you break your bones you get ibuprofen, if you get your wisdom teeth pulled, you get ibuprofen. We don't have an opioid crisis anymore. Pain is a fact of life. The problem in the US is that there's the expectation to work the next day. It's ok to be in pain, it's also ok to miss out on work. If you accept these two basic facts you don't have an opioid crisis anymore.

Ibuprofen is a poor substitute for opioids. You can keep your life and I think I'll accept the opioid crisis then, if the trade off is what you say. Some other people may die, but that is a price I'm willing to pay.

You what? Did you really just say “other people may die but that is a price I’m willing to pay”? Like you’re in charge of who dies and who lives or something

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Post by operatingthetan »

munk-a wrote: post #242
operatingthetan wrote: post #141

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> if you accidentally double dose a few times and need an early fill you're going to get grilled (or even denied) by the pharmacist That's not a thing. Nobody is getting grilled coming in early for their stimulant medications. They just say "come back in a couple days" and "have a nice day." I've filled multiple stimulant meds in a period of 2 weeks from the same doc and same pharmacist. Neither care (I dumped out a…

That's honestly pretty much what I said: if you run out and need to refill early it's a struggle. A lot of ADHD medications come with strong withdrawl symptoms so "don't have pills for a few days" for me will mean... day 1: sleep for like twenty hours straight and miss work, day 2: have massive headaches all day and miss work, day 3+: maybe be able to attend work? Certainly struggle to actually perform my job duties.…

>That's honestly pretty much what I said

You said " Nobody is getting grilled coming in early for their stimulant medications" ?

Okay then.

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Post by ghostly_s »

nikolqy wrote: post #237
disposition2 wrote: post #74

It’s nice to see some reporting on the potential causes of the issues folks are facing with filling Adderall prescriptions. I’ll provide an anecdotal observation… My SO has narcolepsy and uses Adderall to, quite literally, function. It’s unfortunate that this malady wasn’t referenced in the article but considering it affects (and I’m guessing here) less than 5% of the population, it makes sense. However (and I can ap…

There’s always methamphetamine, dextroamphetamine and brand names for different amphetamines or drugs like methylphenidate and armodafinil, and then of course the specialty name drugs.

These issues are effecting all prescription stimulants.

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Post by asdff »

iamevn wrote: post #233
asdff wrote: post #13

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There's other ways to realign incentives. A buy back program would do a lot honestly to restrict the supply. A lot of people who got them for legit purposes would still end up with a ton leftover when they would get their next prescription. If they were able to get more money returning them to the pharmacy or counting them towards their next prescription than selling them to other students, that's what they would do.

I am prescribed to take one pill each day. I prefer to keep this up on the weekends because I like being able to function even when I'm not being paid to. I can only fill a prescription once a month. The pill bottles have 28 pills in them. What possibly would be left over?

Most people I knew who were on them weren't taking the dosage they were being prescribed. The side effects were too much taking it daily, so they would just use it if they were spending a lot of time in the library that day, and would end the month with half the bottle still by the time they reupped. Just because you have ADHD and benefit sometimes from these meds doesn't mean you feel great being on them 100% of the time nor need to be taking them if you are not doing anything mentally demanding that day. It's basically meth lite, after all.

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Post by [deleted] »

munk-a wrote: post #83
asdff wrote: post #13

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There's other ways to realign incentives. A buy back program would do a lot honestly to restrict the supply. A lot of people who got them for legit purposes would still end up with a ton leftover when they would get their next prescription. If they were able to get more money returning them to the pharmacy or counting them towards their next prescription than selling them to other students, that's what they would do.

If we're still talking about ADHD medications then... I have no idea where you're coming from. ADHD medications are very tightly controlled - if you accidentally double dose a few times and need an early fill you're going to get grilled (or even denied) by the pharmacist. There is a small margin for error but for the most part people using ADHD medications get precisely what they need to get to the next drug refill a…

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Post by 876978095789789 »

digilypse wrote: post #190
876978095789789 wrote: post #154

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I never said people with ADHD shouldn't receive treatment; I said there are far too many people who don't have ADHD popping amphetamines to get an edge in work or academia, and I'm glad to see they're finally being cut off from their dealers. For some reason, HNers really hate being told that not everyone taking these drugs 100% has ADHD and 100% needs them. Scott Aaronson's post on this (which was discussed here) is…

Just to be clear, you’re agreeing with the author that it’s primarily a moral distinction? Since the shortage is impacting all patients equally it seems harsh to support it. It would help to understand why you feel that it’s immoral; my interpretation is that you are saying it gives people an advantage at a cost that you don’t want to be forced into paying yourself in order to compete.

> It would help to understand why you feel that it’s immoral; my interpretation is that you are saying it gives people an advantage at a cost that you don’t want to be forced into paying yourself in order to compete.

It's not just moral; do you think there are no externalities to an ever-widening culture of rampant amphetamine abuse?

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Post by reducesuffering »

Auracle wrote: post #209
reducesuffering wrote: post #172

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If you ever have trouble accessing adderall, be sure to know that modafinil specifically treats narcolepsy and is easier to get both with and without a prescription.

I have idiopathic hypersomnia and Modafinil/Nuvigil worked great for a while, but then it very much didn’t agree with me in ways that are hard to express. I’ve seen others with the same issue online. They annoying part is I’d love to have a prescription again to see if it works well for me again, or to take breaks from my stimulants - but my doctor says it’ll trigger an audit as I have both Vyvanse and Adderall presc…

Email me

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Post by iamevn »

asdff wrote: post #254
iamevn wrote: post #233

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I am prescribed to take one pill each day. I prefer to keep this up on the weekends because I like being able to function even when I'm not being paid to. I can only fill a prescription once a month. The pill bottles have 28 pills in them. What possibly would be left over?

Most people I knew who were on them weren't taking the dosage they were being prescribed. The side effects were too much taking it daily, so they would just use it if they were spending a lot of time in the library that day, and would end the month with half the bottle still by the time they reupped. Just because you have ADHD and benefit sometimes from these meds doesn't mean you feel great being on them 100% of the…

My experience is that I feel significantly better when I am on my meds and am able to function consistently. I envy people who function well enough off their meds that they can be choosy about when they take them. I have no experience with meth but my understanding is that it is only superficially similar to meth.

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Post by jijji »

pyuser583 wrote: post #244
jijji wrote: post #232

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as mentioned throughout the comments I've also seen many situations where patients that were given prescriptions were then turned away by pharmacists because they didn't like the type of clothes that the person was wearing or they didn't think that there was a diagnosis to match the prescription, or that the doctor was too far away in a different town in the same state, Even though the patient might have been taking…

Wasn’t the idea behind the settlement that pharmacists should be accountable for the prescriptions they filled? I guess I’m confused - are you saying pharmacists should not be able to refuse to fill a script or they are not able? As it stands they are able, and can be held accountable for doing so. Maybe the law should change to where pharmacists are simply agents of the prescribed. But that’s not current law or cust…

I guess you are right, according to some articles online [1], a pharmacist can refuse to dispense a prescription due "moral and/or religious" reasons.... so they literally can just look at you and say well you know what I don't think you deserve this stuff sorry go somewhere else and I guess it's perfectly okay, because of a moral duty, which is vague and specious.

[1] https://www.goodrx.com/healthcare-access/pharmacies/why-phar...

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Post by elcritch »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #238
elcritch wrote: post #105

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Another thing to try is NAD+/CoQ10 supplements. I had some brain fog after covid (I'm officially diagnosed) and NAD+ seemed to help a ton. I had researched the brain fog with covid 19 and found a lot of research pointing to NAD+ / mitochondrial disruptions as source of brain fatigue [eg 1]. NAD+ supplements are well studied for anti-aging too. So it seemed to have a high probability of helping. 1: https://www.ncbi.nl…

How to increase one's NAD+ levels?

The NAD+ supplements can increase it according to a few research articles I've found. IIRC, it's like 10-20% increase in some cases. I also added CoQ10 as it works together with NAD+.
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