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Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by devoutsalsa »

mortenjorck wrote: post #30
muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs I would definitely not read that from the data. I don’t know what percentage of current seekers post in the wants-to-be-hired thread, but as a potentially-outlying anecdote, I didn’t until I had already been looking for three months. I would hypothesize that there’s a psychological barrier to posting in WWTBH, even if you’ve been laid off…

I've definitely resisted posting in the past. The primary reason was I simply didn't want to post while I had a job. The second is that you can't delete old HN comments, and I don't feel like having an "I need a job" comment on my permanent record. I'm not opposed to posting, but I haven't felt the desire to post.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by chucksmash »

mortenjorck wrote: post #30
muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs I would definitely not read that from the data. I don’t know what percentage of current seekers post in the wants-to-be-hired thread, but as a potentially-outlying anecdote, I didn’t until I had already been looking for three months. I would hypothesize that there’s a psychological barrier to posting in WWTBH, even if you’ve been laid off…

That's basically my outlook, I wouldn't post in the WWTBH thread. In addition to the reasons you listed, I'd also add that while my identity certainly isn't hidden and I'm not out here being controversial, my HN posts are decidedly more of the "my thoughts are my own" variety and not something I'd link a hiring manager to otherwise.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by dgb23 »

the_af wrote: post #60

As an aside, I'm not currently looking for a job (knock on wood) but people close to me are and... the interview process seems harder than ever. Now you get recorded, told you cannot alt-tab, take home assignments are very strict for companies that aren't even close to a FAANG (I mean, if you're applying to Google it comes with the territory, but why is your random startup so strict?), you are automatically graded on…

Which professions hire like this? I can’t think of any.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by Lichtso »

bilsbie wrote: post #10

That seems like a good signal to track. Btw does anyone ever get hired from the who wants to be hired thread?

I did. My first "real" job (as in not an internship). Two and a half years and counting.

Edit, found it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24038518#24042409

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by perlgeek »

23B1 wrote: post #59

I'm a CRO/CGO – a suit. My biggest struggle with HN wants-to-be-hired threads is that I desperately want to work with small and midsize startups who are serious about growth – but most of the JDs are for technical jobs. Besides the usual job boards, is anyone aware of a good place to connect with founders who want a healthy hockey stick and holistic, healthy growth?

I'd try the Acquired community, https://www.acquired.fm/

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by roncesvalles »

muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

>people don't want to be seen looking for a job while employed

IMO this is the biggest factor causing the slowdown in tech hiring. Right now people just want to stay put wherever they are. In the past when someone jumps to another company, it opens a headcount where they were, which gets filled with someone who also jumped another company, which caused a headcount to be created there, ad infinitum causing a constant cacophony of job postings, like a "velocity" of jobs akin to velocity of money.

The combination of slack in the system (unemployed people being hired), low attrition, and some backfills not being done creates a giant dampener on the velocity.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by ipaddr »

muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

1/2 the companies posting jobs are not really hiring. There may be positions available if someone wows them or if they can find talent for cheap.

The languages in demand change is probably more interesting. Less react positions, rails holding strong, python over taking, first time no php jobs offered.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by WinstonSmith84 »

I'd like to see a bit more data pre-covid, but this is a very insightful and concerning chart. Btw, to me it's not relevant whether we still see more comments into the is-hiring vs. wants-to-be-hired, this ratio doesn't mean much, there are other variables to consider. It's rather the uptrend which is meaningful.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by ed_balls »

madcaptenor wrote: post #23
madcaptenor wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

seems like it wouldn't be too hard, just tedious, to compile all the data.

Fine, I'll start. These threads are easily found in Google. January 2020: 244 wants to be hired / 697 hiring = 35% February 2020: 227 / 677 = 34% March 2020: 349 / 776 = 45% April 2020: 521 / 601 = 87% May 2020: 329 / 686 = 48% June 2020: 305 / 659 = 46% July 2020: 280 / 680 = 41% August 2020: 410 / 828 = 50% September 2020: 346 / 698 = 50% October 2020: 295 / 810 = 36% November 2020: 259 / 807 = 32% December 2020: 2…

Date | Who is hiring? | Who wants to be hired | ratio

Jan 2018,911,84,0.09

Feb 2018,1070,76,0.07

Mar 2018,1187,85,0.07

Apr 2018,1084,142,0.13

May 2018,1198,69,0.05

Jun 2018,911,90,0.09

Jul 2018,860,122,0.14

Aug 2018,1025,83,0.08

Sep 2018,922,73,0.07

Oct 2018,1110,113,0.10

Nov 2018,1057,162,0.15

Dec 2018,954,182,0.18

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by nfriedly »

bilsbie wrote: post #10

That seems like a good signal to track. Btw does anyone ever get hired from the who wants to be hired thread?

Adding one more voice to the chorus: I got my current job from posting in the who wants to be hired thread.

(It was about 3.5 years ago in my case, but presumably it still works today.)

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