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Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by peruvian » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:10 PM UTC

muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

I think a lot of people don't post on who wants to be hired and instead just browse who's hiring.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by jasonlotito » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:13 PM UTC

karaterobot wrote: post #8

iLoveOncall wrote: post #5

There are quite a lot of people hiring which have multiple job postings though. It doesn't invalidate that it is the highest but it doesn't mean that it's almost 1:1. It also doesn't mean that those people are out of a job. My company is mandating RTO 3 days a week, that's a good reason to look for a new position, while still being employed.

I think it might invalidate it. At the very least it points out that this is really measuring the ratio of comments , not jobs and candidates.

That's what the post says.

> Counting the comments in the who wants to be hired thread and dividing by the number of comments in who is hiring.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by madcaptenor » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:13 PM UTC

madcaptenor wrote: post #15

ed_balls wrote: post #4

in 2019 it was about 0.32 First who wants to be hired https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7685170 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1350A5KGgmGI3Ed-tC7MP...

seems like it wouldn't be too hard, just tedious, to compile all the data.

Fine, I'll start. These threads are easily found in Google.

January 2020: 244 wants to be hired / 697 hiring = 35%

February 2020: 227 / 677 = 34%

March 2020: 349 / 776 = 45%

April 2020: 521 / 601 = 87%

May 2020: 329 / 686 = 48%

June 2020: 305 / 659 = 46%

July 2020: 280 / 680 = 41%

August 2020: 410 / 828 = 50%

September 2020: 346 / 698 = 50%

October 2020: 295 / 810 = 36%

November 2020: 259 / 807 = 32%

December 2020: 274 / 766 = 36%

January 2021: 286 / 846 = 34%

February 2021: 232 / 1052 = 22%

March 2021: 227 / 964 = 24%

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by ativzzz » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:14 PM UTC

bilsbie wrote: post #10

That seems like a good signal to track. Btw does anyone ever get hired from the who wants to be hired thread?

+1 for current job being from that thread

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Post by throwawaysleep » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:15 PM UTC

muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers.

Is it? Unemployment is still incredibly low and labour shortages continue to be reported.

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Post by bryanlarsen » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:17 PM UTC

bilsbie wrote: post #10

That seems like a good signal to track. Btw does anyone ever get hired from the who wants to be hired thread?

I did.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by TheGeminon » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:17 PM UTC

peruvian wrote: post #21

muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

I think a lot of people don't post on who wants to be hired and instead just browse who's hiring.

Thats also balanced by the fact that many postings are for multiple positions (though I would probably still tip it towards more job seekers)

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Post by Herval_freire » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:19 PM UTC

muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

>It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers.

No 0.94 is a sample that comes with a huge margin or error.

It very well could be that the actual ratio is that there are more programmers then jobs.

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Post by kilroy123 » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:20 PM UTC

dudul wrote: post #7

I have to say the amount of spam emails I'm getting from recruiters has decreased a lot - also I took a new job a few months ago so maybe I'm just being filtered out for now.

I'm getting none these days.

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Post by mortenjorck » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:22 PM UTC

muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs

I would definitely not read that from the data. I don’t know what percentage of current seekers post in the wants-to-be-hired thread, but as a potentially-outlying anecdote, I didn’t until I had already been looking for three months.

I would hypothesize that there’s a psychological barrier to posting in WWTBH, even if you’ve been laid off and have no current employer you wouldn’t want seeing it – there’s a certain vulnerability in putting yourself out there versus privately applying to jobs. For me, it took a certain level of desperation with my search to make the jump from browsing the hiring thread to finally posting in the other thread this month.