Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

Post by hdjjhhvvhga » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 2:57 PM UTC

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I'm not excusing NATO, I'm just explaining what happened. Putin fanboys love to pretend that NATO is aggressively expansionist, but it's not. Most of eastern Europe begged to join NATO, to the point that Poland practically blackmailed Clinton into letting them join (which Clinton originally wasn't a fan of). NATO extended its mutual defense to these countries. The only reason why that should piss off Russia is if Rus…

you obvioisly drank the nato coolaid but please tell me whats wrong with my understanding. here goes 1990. nato makes the not one inch eastward promise 1999. in disregard for international law, nato bombs russia ally yugoslavia and takes over its southern teritory 1999. nato expands into poland and several other ex warsaw countries 2004. nato expands into ex-ussr, taking baltic states as members 2008. april. nato sai…

Post by medo-bear » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 3:55 PM UTC

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you didnt answer my question. what is the end game for ukraine if putin decides to nuke it? you cant rebuild a nuclear wasteland. chernobil will look like an untouched nature reserve in comparison. people need to honest with ukranians in what to expect from this. this is what makes the whole situation tragic

> what is the end game for ukraine if putin decides to nuke it? Yes, this is what Putin's propagandists are repeating all the time, threatening to use nukes not just on Ukraine but also on Great Britain and other countries. Apart from the obvious absurdity of contaminating their own land, the big question is, should we agree to all Putins says just because he can use nukes? Is there any limit on what we will do to pl…

Post by ammonammonammon » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 7:28 AM UTC

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The Winter War is a bad comparison. Finland didn't have massive international blocks backing it, nor did the Soviets. NATO -- 30, soon to be 31 countries -- are backing UKR, while India, China, Iran, and a few others are backing Russia to varying degrees. The real comparison is probably closer to Iraq-Iran in the 1980's. Iraq launches a huge mechanized offensive, gets into Iran, runs out of steam, and slowly gets pus…

Post by medo-bear » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 8:21 AM UTC

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #171

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you obvioisly drank the nato coolaid but please tell me whats wrong with my understanding. here goes 1990. nato makes the not one inch eastward promise 1999. in disregard for international law, nato bombs russia ally yugoslavia and takes over its southern teritory 1999. nato expands into poland and several other ex warsaw countries 2004. nato expands into ex-ussr, taking baltic states as members 2008. april. nato sai…

> 1999. nato expands into poland and several other ex warsaw countries And the people in these countries (almost half of Europe!) still celebrate this day, just like the day they managed to liberate themselves from Russians. No wonder it makes Putin mad.