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Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

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There's a short-term effect there that might be positive, but a long-term effect that would be negative. There's a reason that a lot of companies won't hire in France or other specific locales where the difficulty in getting out of an employment relationship is so high that it makes it undesirable to get into that relationship in the first place.

Yes but you do actually want access to the French market so you will likely need employees in France.

> so you will likely need employees in France.

A few but not a lot. You would need a corporate entity, a sales team if you do B2B or want to get government contracts and a few employees to deal with the special snowflakes regulations and keep up with what the bureaucrats are making up. But you don't need engineers specifically in France. Even localization can be contracted out, since it's a well defined scope.

Not only that, but France is right next to Switzerland where there's a concentration of French engineering talent. That and, it's relatively straightforward for these guys to just transfer to the Bay Area.

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> The cold hard truth is that people would rather the 3-4x salaries. This sounds like an assumption based firmly in the American value system. This part is often missed: > 25 days annual leave (rising to 30 after 5 years), plus 8 public holidays and the King’s birthday Anyway comparing a government job to big tech isn't fair. It is big tech salaries that are unusual, not the other way around.

>This sounds like an assumption based firmly in the American value system. This part is often missed: >> 25 days annual leave (rising to 30 after 5 years), plus 8 public holidays and the King’s birthday So best case scenario, you get 20 days more paid leave than in the US (which typically only has 2 weeks or 10 days). That works out to approximately 7.7% higher effective wage.

Even better, government workers in the US get pretty generous PTO too. It works on a bit of a "banking system" but 25 days + holidays isn't even particularly impressive for a Government position of that seniority.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/leave-ad...

You could pretty easily match that amount of PTO for a comparable position.

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And it loses value at a pace like nothing else you own. It’s a wealth sink.

A lot of modern sport cars are currently going up in value because new cars are either unavailable in the short term or not satisfying enough to the car enthusiast crowd.

In general used car prices/trade-ins were sky high last summer because of lack of new car availability. Not sure what it's like currently. My sense was that supply chain woes had eased somewhat.

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The Google headquarters at King’s Cross, designed by the renowned architects Thomas Heatherwick and Bjarke Ingels, is a dazzling edifice of glass and steel, a symbol of the company’s prosperity and ambition. But behind its shiny facade, there is a storm of layoffs and discontent, a stark contrast to the image of success and innovation that Google wants to project.

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It may be a worse idea for the company (though I'm not sure - the US layoffs weren't based on performance). But, as far as I can tell, the response has not been "these suggestions are unacceptable for reasons X, Y, and Z, please propose additional suggestions" but instead has been "nah, we are just gonna do what we want." I am blending the Zurich case with the UK case in my mind, though. There's a lot to keep track o…

>I am blending the Zurich case DO you have any information on the Zurich case? I'm not aware of any layoffs there.

Zurich layoffs were like a month ago.

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Google employees could have volunteered to share their outsized salaries with their laid-off colleagues.

Is that really true? I believe that this is exactly the sort of negotiation in which Google UK decided they wouldn't participate.

You don't need Google UK to give money to people you know. Get together with them, exchange contact details, set up a recurring payment from your account, done.

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You know what else leads to the most talented people to leave? When the company stops listening to the employees.

Keeping deadweights leads to most talented people leaving.

The layoffs have not really been for performance. They aren't dropping deadweights.

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That is their right, of course. Could this be a sign that it is tough in the SWE job market at the moment?! Usually moving on from Google would have been a non-issue to find a new job.

>Could this be a sign that it is tough in the SWE job market at the moment?! No. There's plenty of companies hiring everywhere. SWEs will not be unemployed. It's probably tough only if you expect to still make post-pandemic boom Google TC and perks at Google WLB. Which is why it's wise to avoid lifestyle inflation. If you ever land a lucrative job during a boom, don't expect it to last forever and start buying Ferrar…

The goal should always be to make your income and outgoings inversely related. So seek to increase your salary and decrease your outgoings.

Definitely easier said than done in today’s economy, however.

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These people seem out of touch. > "It has been difficult for those involved. We have a redundancy process for a reason, so that employees can make their voice heard," they said. "But it feels as if our concerns have fallen on deaf ears." They’re doing layoffs. In what scenario does negative feedback from employees change the minds of management? “Oh shit we didn’t know this negatively impacted you all. My bad.”

Instead of 'walking out', how about they get a new job? Thats the ultimate form of protest. Google employees have been told for years that they are the smartest people in the world. The puff pieces on Business Insider and major news outlets saying its harder to get a job at NASA or get accepted into MIT have really inflated these peoples egos. Lots of normal and low ego people at Google, but the place certainly radia…

The story behind the Google employees’ strike is not so much about whether they will lose their jobs or not, but about their anger at the management that refuses to listen to anything they have to say.

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>The first is roughly why does a company with many billions in the bank need to lay off anyone. because it's a for-profit company, not a jobs program.

The entitlement is off the charts. People have completely lost perspective on how money is made and where they fit into the money making machine.

Corporation works to maximize benefit for shareholders at the expense of its employees: "What do you expect, this is capitalism working as intended."

Employee works to maximize benefit for themselves at the expense of their employer: "Ugh, what entitlement."

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