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I think you would find it less amazing if you were subject to systemic discrimination.
I would put up with almost any amount of systemic discrimination if it led to a $15M payout.
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I'll never understand the "just words" takes I hear all the time. Everything you've ever said is "just words". Everything someone has said that has hurt you, that has caused fear in you, that evoked love and warmth has ever been " just words". How many of those words changed your life? The "I dos", the last words, the first words, the words said in a dark alley or the words said to you pushed up against a wall. Words…
The inability to self-regulate your emotions in response to what other people say is a behavior that you're supposed to outgrow sometime in middle school.
Telling member of systemically opressed group that they should „self-regulate their emotions to what other people say” is something that only person who never experienced what systemic opression really is could say.
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#163It's amazing how big the settlements are for discrimination lawsuits vs. other labor law violations. Wage and hour violations get a slap on the wrist. Safety violations seldom cost a company more than a few thousand dollars unless someone is killed, and even then payments rarely exceed 5 figures.
I’m way out of my area of expertise here, so posting this comment mostly in the hope to solicit someone who is more knowledgeable to expand on it… A commenter on a previous post a few months ago pointed out that different countries/legal systems have different approaches that I think they may have referred to as punitive vs restorative? And even in systems with both, certain classes of crimes may only be able to appr…
I was wondering about this. I'm equally not an expert in law. Are there three classes of punishment: punitive, tort, and restorative? Are punitive and restorative mutually exclusive?
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Having been to Hawai'i a few times, and having seen how the native population, versus the settlers are doing, I must say, if being a settler in Hawai'i is what life under Jim Crow was, it must have all been rainbows and unicorns and sunshine. It obviously wasn't, but it's always good to see someone point to the stipulations of an indigenous treaty, while closing both eyes to the context in which it was drafted[1]...…
> [4] Unless you mean to tell us that there was some self-sustaining, secret isolated enclave of Europeans that have lived on Hawai'i prior to 1788, that only intermarried between eachother, I would expect that after a century and a half of intermarriage with native Hawai'ians, nobody either in 1920, or today would ever be able to tell the difference between that 'European' and a native.
Race-based laws are nonsense, because the concept of "race" itself is a pseudoscientific nonsense. There's no objective way to tell a "race" of many (or maybe even most?) people. Take President Obama for example. What race was he?
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I'll never understand the "just words" takes I hear all the time. Everything you've ever said is "just words". Everything someone has said that has hurt you, that has caused fear in you, that evoked love and warmth has ever been " just words". How many of those words changed your life? The "I dos", the last words, the first words, the words said in a dark alley or the words said to you pushed up against a wall. Words…
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#166It's amazing how big the settlements are for discrimination lawsuits vs. other labor law violations. Wage and hour violations get a slap on the wrist. Safety violations seldom cost a company more than a few thousand dollars unless someone is killed, and even then payments rarely exceed 5 figures.
Economic class isn’t a protected group
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#167It's amazing how big the settlements are for discrimination lawsuits vs. other labor law violations. Wage and hour violations get a slap on the wrist. Safety violations seldom cost a company more than a few thousand dollars unless someone is killed, and even then payments rarely exceed 5 figures.
Except that if I was a racialized person and saw scrawled swastikas in my place of employment, I might very reasonably start to be concerned about my actual safety. The law clearly says that the employer is liable for a hostile work environment. So a damage award in that range really doesn't seem that excessive.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m way out of my area of expertise here, so posting this comment mostly in the hope to solicit someone who is more knowledgeable to expand on it… A commenter on a previous post a few months ago pointed out that different countries/legal systems have different approaches that I think they may have referred to as punitive vs restorative? And even in systems with both, certain classes of crimes may only be able to appr…
I was wondering about this. I'm equally not an expert in law. Are there three classes of punishment: punitive, tort, and restorative? Are punitive and restorative mutually exclusive?
A tort is a type of lawsuit. "Restorative" damages aren't a thing except maybe in some odd legal jurisdiction (inb4 Louisiana, because the french) or niche subset of law. You have compensatory and punitive damages. They are not mutually exclusive. Compensatory damages are to make the injured party financially whole. Punitive damages are awarded by the court and basically serve as a "don't do this" fine.
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You can't cite Tesla's blog as a credible source when that specific site still contains blatent lies and falsehoods such as FSD.
It doesn't really need a citation at all. It's pretty standard for people to be considered as "founders" even if they weren't the first person to be involved in the first incarnation of a business. The only reason this particular instance got any attention is because of the lawsuit. If you're curious, pick a few companies at random and dig into their history. You might be surprised by how late some of their "founders…
Some one else abusing the term "founder" doesn't change anything. Musk was an investor who made himself CEO several years later.