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Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by jeffparsons »

sschueller wrote: post #114
kjksf wrote: post #111

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Nothing (except lawyers fees). It was Eberhard who sued Musk trying to get the courts to declare that only he and Tarpenning can be called co-founders of Tesla. And that backfired because the judge declared that, actually, Musk and JB. Straubel are also co-founders of Tesla. https://www.tesla.com/blog/judge-strikes-claim-who-can-be-de...

You can't cite Tesla's blog as a credible source when that specific site still contains blatent lies and falsehoods such as FSD.

It doesn't really need a citation at all. It's pretty standard for people to be considered as "founders" even if they weren't the first person to be involved in the first incarnation of a business. The only reason this particular instance got any attention is because of the lawsuit.

If you're curious, pick a few companies at random and dig into their history. You might be surprised by how late some of their "founders" became involved in the business.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by yellow_lead »

jimt1234 wrote: post #77
yellow_lead wrote: post #15

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It depends, actually.

Please explain. Genuinely interested. Thanks.

Sorry not an expert but I read that it depends on what type of judgement you receive. If it's wages owed, as a sibling comment said, you have to pay taxes. Medical judgement - no. Punitive damages - yes.

I found this article as well which explains more in depth https://www.picnictax.com/are-legal-settlements-taxable-tax-...

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by watwut »

jeffparsons wrote: post #125
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #117

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Discrimination lawsuits in the US are supposed to be torts I believe, which is what allows you to have these big settlements (think McDonalds coffee too hot, that was a tort) I would think that Safety violations may also be torts - but probably not all the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort

The McDonald's coffee incident is often cited as an example of litigation and punitive damages gone mad. Some woman got scalded by her coffee? And she was awarded how much? It's less often noted just how badly the woman was injured (third degree burns, significant amounts of skin seared off, etc.) and the details of why McDonald's was held liable (dangerous policy, not an isolated mistake). The details are worth a re…

I read about this lawsuit a lot. No women did nothing wrong or stupid.

The lawsuit outcome was still bad decision with bad reasoning which is why all those writeups remain unconvincing.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by misslibby »

jszymborski wrote: post #124
ethicalsmacker wrote: post #84

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I'll never understand the "just words" takes I hear all the time. Everything you've ever said is "just words". Everything someone has said that has hurt you, that has caused fear in you, that evoked love and warmth has ever been " just words". How many of those words changed your life? The "I dos", the last words, the first words, the words said in a dark alley or the words said to you pushed up against a wall. Words…

I've never been awarded any money because somebody said something to me I didn't like.

Yes words can have consequences. Let's take politics, some parties get elected based on their words, and then implement policies that are harmful to me. I still never got any kind of compensation for that kind of thing.

How much money should ehticalsmacker be awarded from you, because you not thinking much of his comment hurt his feelings?

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Post by revelio »

jszymborski wrote: post #124
ethicalsmacker wrote: post #84

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I'll never understand the "just words" takes I hear all the time. Everything you've ever said is "just words". Everything someone has said that has hurt you, that has caused fear in you, that evoked love and warmth has ever been " just words". How many of those words changed your life? The "I dos", the last words, the first words, the words said in a dark alley or the words said to you pushed up against a wall. Words…

Ok. So I'm this case, do you owe money to the op or is it the other way around?

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by Larrikin »

trappist wrote: post #57
Larrikin wrote: post #38

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Do you think racism in the work place is ok? How about sexism? Why not homophobia as well? Does smacking the butt of your female coworker really deserve compensation? Where do you draw the line or do you think it should all be ok in the workplace?

If something is not OK, can there not be a penalty for it which is also not OK?

What do you think the acceptable penalty for racial discrimination in the workplace should be?

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by jszymborski »

misslibby wrote: post #134
jszymborski wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll never understand the "just words" takes I hear all the time. Everything you've ever said is "just words". Everything someone has said that has hurt you, that has caused fear in you, that evoked love and warmth has ever been " just words". How many of those words changed your life? The "I dos", the last words, the first words, the words said in a dark alley or the words said to you pushed up against a wall. Words…

I've never been awarded any money because somebody said something to me I didn't like. Yes words can have consequences. Let's take politics, some parties get elected based on their words, and then implement policies that are harmful to me. I still never got any kind of compensation for that kind of thing. How much money should ehticalsmacker be awarded from you, because you not thinking much of his comment hurt his f…

When you facetiously equate my comment with the harm perpetuated by someone actively racially discriminating against someone, do you expect me to take your argument in good faith?

I'm not going to argue you with you.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by eesmith »

ethicalsmacker wrote: post #84

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It wasn't because someone was "offended by some words and a drawing".

It was because Tesla broke long-established employment law by supporting a hostile work environment.

Nearly all of the amount is due to punitive damages - $175,000 in damages for emotional distress and $3 million in punitive damages. That's meant to punish Tesla for unlawful activity and deter them from doing so again. (In the original trial it was $6.9 million in compensatory damages and $130 million in punitive damages. That's the amount that then got knocked down to a $15M offer.)

(Two other options to deter this behavior are strong government oversight, and strong unions, but the US has decided to go the court-based punitive damage route instead.)

Scrawled swastikas on the wall are hardly characterized as "some words and a drawing." And Tesla management's lack of activity is part of the problem.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by [deleted] »

jszymborski wrote: post #124
ethicalsmacker wrote: post #84

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I'll never understand the "just words" takes I hear all the time. Everything you've ever said is "just words". Everything someone has said that has hurt you, that has caused fear in you, that evoked love and warmth has ever been " just words". How many of those words changed your life? The "I dos", the last words, the first words, the words said in a dark alley or the words said to you pushed up against a wall. Words…

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