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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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I wonder if there have been any social studies done regarding the apparent sense of entitlement that comes with operating any kind of vehicle. E-scooters are an absolute menace nearly everywhere I've seen them being used, with their operators weaving between pedestrians and cars alike, and littering the kerb when unused. But the same is often true for bicycles, especially the fast electric kind, and it's certainly tr…

Parisians generally don’t travel by car.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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At the prices these scooter sharing companies are asking these days, I'd hardly call the people dependent on them "marginalised"...

Compared to the price of a used car these days?

Where I live, it's more expensive than ride sharing (taxi or otherwise)

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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I mean, it's not, because if the options are too time consuming too uncertain and/or too inconvenient people will move further away and buy a car (then expect that everywhere they go to have open roads and 12sqm of open space wherever they decide to stop). To break down what you're suggesting, imagine 20-25 minutes walk to the train station, 10 minutes waiting for the train (you want to be early if it's an infrequent…

What you describe is not your typical trip inside Paris. That would better describe a suburb to Paris trip, for which 1h to 2h is indeed normal. A typical Paris trip is 2 minutes walk to a station (at most 5 min if you are slow), then 30 to 45 minutes subway, then 2 more minutes walk to your destination. There are subway station roughly 2 minutes from anywhere in Paris, and you can go from anywhere to anywhere else i…

to be perfectly fair, I haven't spent a lot of time in Paris, but I have lived in London and I feel like what I said doesnt apply so strongly to London, or at least the centre of london- it is still common to live over 10 minutes from a station in London- but commuter trains are frequent in the north.

When I have been to Paris it has been how I described, but to he fair Ubisoft studios could be located in hard to reach places for cost reasons.

When travelling to the hotel it was a 35 minute walk because google maps said it would be faster to walk, and travelling to the Eiffel tower (actually, it was to a dock near the eiffel tower but I forgot the name) it took 20 minutes to get to the metro station and 5-6 minutes to get to the dock.

So at least for trips like those its difficult to say they couldn't be served better.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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> If a city were to dedicate a single car lane sized lane for “micromobility” Most cities do not have a car lane sized lane to spare.

In my city it would be trivial in most roads, you would just have to remove parking on one side. Unfortunately the needs of 10 car owners living in the street are more important than the needs of everyone else...

Of course they are, because the people live there.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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In my city it would be trivial in most roads, you would just have to remove parking on one side. Unfortunately the needs of 10 car owners living in the street are more important than the needs of everyone else...

Of course they are, because the people live there.

The people biking and walking and riding scooters also live there. I'm not sure why 2 out of 3 lanes should be dedicated to people parking their cars.

If you want to live downtown and own a car, you can rent a parking space in a garage.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Looking at amount of e-scooters kicked over I'd say society decided they do not have a place directly on the pedestrian/cycling path. Here they eventually forbid it altoghether and now companies have to use dedicated space, not just random patch of ground they find > Street parking for cars is the norm now, but it isn't altogether different in principle from people leaving e-scooters "in the way" on public roads and…

> The difference is that for the most cars it's someone's personal vehicle parked near where they live, while majority of the scooters are taxi-equivalent... I don't see why this distinction matters. In both cases, it's for the direct benefit of some individual, at a direct cost to others - especially those who do not benefit from and have no interest in subsidizing that particular mode of transport. In both cases, s…

The difference is taxes going into stuff the locals use vs some corporation gets for free. If they want to use public space to run their business they should pay.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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What you describe is not your typical trip inside Paris. That would better describe a suburb to Paris trip, for which 1h to 2h is indeed normal. A typical Paris trip is 2 minutes walk to a station (at most 5 min if you are slow), then 30 to 45 minutes subway, then 2 more minutes walk to your destination. There are subway station roughly 2 minutes from anywhere in Paris, and you can go from anywhere to anywhere else i…

to be perfectly fair, I haven't spent a lot of time in Paris, but I have lived in London and I feel like what I said doesnt apply so strongly to London, or at least the centre of london- it is still common to live over 10 minutes from a station in London- but commuter trains are frequent in the north. When I have been to Paris it has been how I described, but to he fair Ubisoft studios could be located in hard to rea…

It is really hard to get a "feel" for a city as a tourist, because almost by definition you're going to be in the "central/old" area or traveling to the central area from a cheap hotel on the outskirts somewhere, and those are optimized for tourist activity.

I also found walking in Rome and Paris to be as fast as transit, but I'm not going to even begin to pretend the vast majority of "average" Romans or Parisians live within the 'old city'.

It also helps that almost by definition the 'old cities' in Europe are very old and quite compact. Once you start trying to get to the "central business district" instead of the "city center" it gets more American-esque, but still doable.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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I wonder if there have been any social studies done regarding the apparent sense of entitlement that comes with operating any kind of vehicle. E-scooters are an absolute menace nearly everywhere I've seen them being used, with their operators weaving between pedestrians and cars alike, and littering the kerb when unused. But the same is often true for bicycles, especially the fast electric kind, and it's certainly tr…

More than the usage, a lot voted against the business model and the nature of e-scooters. There are a environmental disaster, they get destroyed / lost after only a few months. They are found everywhere and especially in canals / the Seine. They also need a fleet of precarious workers at night to get recharged.

The private e-scooters are not banned.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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The overcompensation is palpable

It's not clear what you are implying. Could you elaborate?

That you know these bikes and scooters blocking pavements is a social ill but you do not care because it is convenient for a fraction of a percent of commuters

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Now ban them and their bike scheme counterparts in London. An absolute blight on the city. Their USP is they can be left anywhere. https://i.imgur.com/s59Bvf3.png

The lime bikes are wonderful. I’ll fight you and anyone else who tries to take them away again. You pic shows them towards a corner kerb with space behind.

They are blocking the pavement. They are a disease. Their value to you is derived from the inconvenience they cause to others.

https://i.imgur.com/oeQjcJS.png

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