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Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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It's amazing how big the settlements are for discrimination lawsuits vs. other labor law violations. Wage and hour violations get a slap on the wrist. Safety violations seldom cost a company more than a few thousand dollars unless someone is killed, and even then payments rarely exceed 5 figures.

I’m way out of my area of expertise here, so posting this comment mostly in the hope to solicit someone who is more knowledgeable to expand on it…

A commenter on a previous post a few months ago pointed out that different countries/legal systems have different approaches that I think they may have referred to as punitive vs restorative? And even in systems with both, certain classes of crimes may only be able to approach sentencing from on of those approaches. Which can mean the outcome is more about making the aggrieved party whole again (with potentially a little extra for the inconvenience). It leaves no room for the kind of very very large outcome that acts as a signal to the defendant and any others to not break this law again.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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> Anyway, what's your point? I'm not Animats, but there might be a suggestion that being discriminated against is not actually worse than being killed.

Looks like being discriminated against in this case is roughly worth the same as having a limb cutoff according to one law firm. I don't want to be presumptuous and say that feeling discrimination on the job is better than having your arm cut off though, maybe it does feel worse. https://www.losangelespersonalinjurylawyers.co/average-case-...

Values for work-related injuries are far lower: [1]

[1] https://www.yourlawyer.com/library/workers-compensation-body...

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Some people think racism is bad, and that doing bad things should have some kind of repercussions and that companies have responsibilities around what happens in the workplace. Shocking I know.

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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> [Former Tesla VP] Capers Workman, who is Black, has since left Tesla. Without commenting on the story or the case itself, I have to say that from a purely journalistic perspective, it is very weird to be calling out the race(s) of people related to a story when it’s not central or key to the reporting. The race of Workman seems to bear no relation to the story itself, so why the callout?

> The race of Workman seems to bear no relation to the story itself, so why the callout? I imagine the relation and relevance are apparent from the title of the article and submission: "Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit "

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like being discriminated against in this case is roughly worth the same as having a limb cutoff according to one law firm. I don't want to be presumptuous and say that feeling discrimination on the job is better than having your arm cut off though, maybe it does feel worse. https://www.losangelespersonalinjurylawyers.co/average-case-...

Values for work-related injuries are far lower: [1] [1] https://www.yourlawyer.com/library/workers-compensation-body...

Maybe someone with experience here can chime in, but my gut tells me those must be the worker's compensation insurance payout for the limb and the lawyer was including the surrounding lawsuit which would litigate the neglect resulting in the loss of limb.

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Because no where is that kind of behavior acceptable; workplace included. Tesla’s role is to provide a safe workplace. Failure to do so deserves penalty. This is not hard to grok: worker safety is more important than the corp. Safety includes all aspects. Including mental health.

No one is saying the behavior is acceptable.

I'm thinking if I were a company, I'd be pretty keen on replacing humans with AI as soon as possible.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Some people think racism is bad, and that doing bad things should have some kind of repercussions and that companies have responsibilities around what happens in the workplace. Shocking I know.

Racism created so many problems in the US, including a devastating civil war with 2M casualties, that what seems like an over-reaction is understandable. It's the "nuke it from the orbit" option.

Yes, nuking things from the orbit does have downsides, if you ask me. But if this imperfect tool is something that reliably prevents a new crop of Jim Crow laws, I can tolerate some fallout. (If you think that people are now "civilized by default", and "it can't possibly happen again", look at the Texas abortion law, for instance.)

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people think racism is bad, and that doing bad things should have some kind of repercussions and that companies have responsibilities around what happens in the workplace. Shocking I know.

Racism created so many problems in the US, including a devastating civil war with 2M casualties, that what seems like an over-reaction is understandable. It's the "nuke it from the orbit" option. Yes, nuking things from the orbit does have downsides, if you ask me. But if this imperfect tool is something that reliably prevents a new crop of Jim Crow laws, I can tolerate some fallout. (If you think that people are now…

fully agree
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