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Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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> Tesla has denied the charges that the situation was as bad as alleged in the two suits, but it has admitted there were problems which needed to be addressed at the plant [...] We do recognize that in 2015 and 2016 we were not perfect. We’re still not perfect. But we have come a long way from 5 years ago. Discrimination lawsuits are not exactly an easy thing to win, it usually becomes unbearable long before it's ove…

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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> [Former Tesla VP] Capers Workman, who is Black, has since left Tesla. Without commenting on the story or the case itself, I have to say that from a purely journalistic perspective, it is very weird to be calling out the race(s) of people related to a story when it’s not central or key to the reporting. The race of Workman seems to bear no relation to the story itself, so why the callout?

> The race of Workman seems to bear no relation to the story itself, so why the callout? I didn't understand 'callout'. "a statement drawing critical attention to someone's unacceptable actions or behaviour." You feel stating the race of the VP was a statement drawing critical attention to someone's unacceptable actions or behaviour?

call out:

1. To specify, especially in detail.

2. To order into service; to summon into service.

3. To yell out; to vocalize audibly; announce.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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> Tesla has denied the charges that the situation was as bad as alleged in the two suits, but it has admitted there were problems which needed to be addressed at the plant [...] We do recognize that in 2015 and 2016 we were not perfect. We’re still not perfect. But we have come a long way from 5 years ago. Discrimination lawsuits are not exactly an easy thing to win, it usually becomes unbearable long before it's ove…

> Discrimination lawsuits are not exactly an easy thing to win

To expand upon this. You not only have to prove that a, e.g., policy or manager's behavior, resulted in negative effects distributed along racial lines but also that there was racist intent behind that policy or behavior.

This is a lot more than "neglecting to address racial biases"

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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The whole thing is quite fascinating. 1. This contractor complained about racist slurs 2. Tesla fired two contractors who were identified as participating in this 3. Tesla suspended one who drew a racist cartoon 4. Tesla did the usual corporate training stuff. This news article is light on content, so I'm going to have to go read what new facts came about in the actual case and I really don't care enough to do that,…

The LA Times wrote several in depth pieces investigating Tesla. It wasn't just what you've listed, it was far beyond what is acceptable at any employer anywhere. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesl...

https://archive.is/6thFj

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the race of a member of the company’s management relevant to a lawsuit about alleged racism against workers in a factory?

if Tesla's management was all white it would certainly play into the claim that Tesla is racist. However I did misread the story.

Because a black person can't be racist against another black person?

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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> Tesla has denied the charges that the situation was as bad as alleged in the two suits, but it has admitted there were problems which needed to be addressed at the plant [...] We do recognize that in 2015 and 2016 we were not perfect. We’re still not perfect. But we have come a long way from 5 years ago. Discrimination lawsuits are not exactly an easy thing to win, it usually becomes unbearable long before it's ove…

> Discrimination lawsuits are not exactly an easy thing to win To expand upon this. You not only have to prove that a, e.g., policy or manager's behavior, resulted in negative effects distributed along racial lines but also that there was racist intent behind that policy or behavior. This is a lot more than "neglecting to address racial biases"

> To expand upon this. You not only have to prove that a, e.g., policy or manager’s behavior, resulted in negative effects distributed along racial lines but also that there was racist intent behind that policy or behavior.

No, you don’t. Once you show that a policy creates concrete disadvantage on racial lines, to overcome liability the employer must prove a sufficient business justification. (Griggs v. Duke Energy, the case often misrepresented as prohibiting IQ tests in employment, instead established that rule.)

If you can establish specific intent regarding creating racial disadvantage, then no business justification can overcome that, but you don’t have to establish that to establish unlawful discrimination.

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