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Gitlab foundation established to increase people’s lifetime earnings

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Re: Gitlab foundation established to increase people’s lifetime earnings

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Post by leereeves »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #19
sosodev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they let go 130 employees a couple of months ago. They're also a company whose remote pay is dependent on location. So they're unwilling to pay people what they're actually worth.

Evil GitLab is unwilling to pay people what they're actually worth. Poor GitLab employees worldwide cannot resist from being taken advantage of and have to work for unworthy amounts... Every time GitLab comes up someone will bring this topic up. San Francisco salaries are not a worldwide benchmark of people's worth. There are valid reasons why GitLab doesn't pay engineers in Kenya $200k. Should I also swing your logi…

> If an engineer in Kenya for $50k does the same work and output as you, a $200k engineer in SF, can we now say you're being overpaid 4x what you're actually worth?

No. If GitLab thought the work was only worth $50k, they wouldn't pay anyone anywhere $200k for the job.

If they do pay $200k for the job anywhere, they must expect to receive more than $200k in return, and pocket the difference.

Re: Gitlab foundation established to increase people’s lifetime earnings

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Post by phailhaus »

rcme wrote: post #2

If Gitlab wants to increase peoples' lifetime earning, why not start with its own employees? Didn't they layoff hundreds of people?

Increasing people's lifetime earnings != "you shouldn't be allowed to fire anyone, ever." I mean come on.

Re: Gitlab foundation established to increase people’s lifetime earnings

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Post by prepend »

sosodev wrote: post #5
rcme wrote: post #2

If Gitlab wants to increase peoples' lifetime earning, why not start with its own employees? Didn't they layoff hundreds of people?

Yes, they let go 130 employees a couple of months ago. They're also a company whose remote pay is dependent on location. So they're unwilling to pay people what they're actually worth.

People are not paid based on their value. They are paid based on what the labor market drives. There’s some relationship to value, but it depends on how many people can and are willing to do the job.

Re: Gitlab foundation established to increase people’s lifetime earnings

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Post by ojosilva »

leereeves wrote: post #21
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evil GitLab is unwilling to pay people what they're actually worth. Poor GitLab employees worldwide cannot resist from being taken advantage of and have to work for unworthy amounts... Every time GitLab comes up someone will bring this topic up. San Francisco salaries are not a worldwide benchmark of people's worth. There are valid reasons why GitLab doesn't pay engineers in Kenya $200k. Should I also swing your logi…

> If an engineer in Kenya for $50k does the same work and output as you, a $200k engineer in SF, can we now say you're being overpaid 4x what you're actually worth? No. If GitLab thought the work was only worth $50k, they wouldn't pay anyone anywhere $200k for the job. If they do pay $200k for the job anywhere, they must expect to receive more than $200k in return, and pocket the difference.

It doesn't work like that. It's more like: there's a 250k budget. We got an ex-googler-ex-meta-kid for 200k, so that leaves us 50k for a... Kenya engineer. Then, once both are on-boarded, gee, the Kenya engineer is twice as productive as the googler kid. Jackpot!

Re: Gitlab foundation established to increase people’s lifetime earnings

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Post by geodel »

pmoriarty wrote: post #13
sosodev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they let go 130 employees a couple of months ago. They're also a company whose remote pay is dependent on location. So they're unwilling to pay people what they're actually worth.

"They're also a company whose remote pay is dependent on location." What is it with companies doing this? It never made sense to me that a company would pay me more or less depending on where I lived. If I'm doing the same work why should my location matter?

Yeah, just like you pay same price for house, food, daycare, school, medical treatment and so on. If it is same square foot why does it matter if house is in Cleveland, Ohio or San Francisco, CA.

Re: Gitlab foundation established to increase people’s lifetime earnings

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Post by rcme »

phailhaus wrote: post #22
rcme wrote: post #2

If Gitlab wants to increase peoples' lifetime earning, why not start with its own employees? Didn't they layoff hundreds of people?

Increasing people's lifetime earnings != "you shouldn't be allowed to fire anyone, ever." I mean come on.

I understand your point, but Gitlab is a productivity company. They increase peoples' lifetime earnings by making them more productive, allowing them to increase their economic output and demand more compensation for their labor. Laying off people is an admission that Gitlab isn't able to deploy additional capital towards making people more productive anymore. So to then announce that Gitlab is establishing this foundation just seems like delusional management.
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