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Re: Xanax and Adderall Access Is Being Blocked by Secret Drug Limits

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Post by chris_wot »

bawolff wrote: post #109
pnw wrote: post #78

Articles like this and reading about the FDA forcing drug manufacturers to replace pseudoephedrine (effective cold medicine) with phenylephrine (basically a placebo) really make me wonder about the intelligence level of the federal agencies. https://pharmacy.ufl.edu/2015/10/14/uf-researchers-ask-fda-t...

Why would that make you wonder about their intelligence? FDA having different priorities than you is not the same as them being stupid.

Because they are clearly making objectively stupid decisions.

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Post by google234123 »

pnw wrote: post #78

Articles like this and reading about the FDA forcing drug manufacturers to replace pseudoephedrine (effective cold medicine) with phenylephrine (basically a placebo) really make me wonder about the intelligence level of the federal agencies. https://pharmacy.ufl.edu/2015/10/14/uf-researchers-ask-fda-t...

pseudoephedrine is amazing, I just recently found it and unlike every other cold medicine I've ever tried it actually works and clears my nose.

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Post by runnerup »

landemva wrote: post #77
zamnos wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article goes to lengths to describe how the government, specifically the DEA are limiting supply by issuing edicts to pharmaceutical companies. Corporations don't generally defy government edicts, especially ones that lead to raids and jail time, so we really can say it's the government's doing here, rather than particularly self-limiting behavior on the part of the pharmaceutical companies. That the government i…

Can you please provide a cite? I tend to think this coercion probably is happening. Agency rule making should be public and published in federal register. I don't know what the effective recourse would be. The easy track is to go to Mexico and load up on what your Dr. prescribed.

> The easy track is to go to Mexico and load up on what your Dr. prescribed.

I believe you can only do this with unscheduled drugs so it is not a successful strategy for opiates and amphetamine.

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Post by chrsig »

zamnos wrote: post #97
landemva wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone willng to pursue a lawsuit might file a FOIA and pursue in court for non-response. A sketchy approach could be suing pharmacy for ... something ... then find the limits for that company via legal discovery. Land of the free or not.

We might be able to get the ACLU to sign on. They've filed a number of lawsuits for patients being denied gender-affirming care in various states. Without getting into a debate about the politics of gender-affirming care, those lawsuits would seem to spell out that denial of life-affirming care that sufferers of ADHD, a federally recognized disability, have experienced could give them legal standing to sue doctors ov…

> those lawsuits would seem to spell out that denial of life-affirming care that sufferers of ADHD, a federally recognized disability, have experienced could give them legal standing to sue doctors over.

As a person with adhd, why would i want to sue my provider? They have nothing to do with why there's been an adderall shortage since october. it seems to me the last thing I want to do is make providers feel averse to treating adhd out of concern for being sued.

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Post by jolux »

pnw wrote: post #78

Articles like this and reading about the FDA forcing drug manufacturers to replace pseudoephedrine (effective cold medicine) with phenylephrine (basically a placebo) really make me wonder about the intelligence level of the federal agencies. https://pharmacy.ufl.edu/2015/10/14/uf-researchers-ask-fda-t...

Pharma companies decided to sell a drug that doesn’t work so they wouldn’t lose sales from pseudoephedrine going behind the counter. They could have simply chosen not to, alas. Also, that switch was required by law. It wasn’t at FDA’s discretion.

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Post by neilparikh »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #3

This seems just a little bit of a conspiracy theory but, giving it credence I would say that it might be because the drugs are ridiculously overprescribed. Particularly for those who just don't need it. In the case of ADD, once there was a medication for it the diagnosis took off like a rocket. Sort of like oxycodone..

The real answer (IMO) is that ADHD is both under-diagnosed and over-diagnosed. I know many people who would benefit from a ADHD diagnosis, but aren't diagnosed yet, and just kind of struggle through as best as they can. On the flip side, it's also somewhat common for people to be diagnosed incorrectly (either due an over eager doctor, or because they sought out the diagnosis to get the drug).

So really, it's a question of improving accuracy overall, not just "let's make things stricter" (which would make it even harder from those are not diagnosed yet).

(I know you mentioned prescribing, not diagnosing, but I think it's a broader issue beyond just the drug).

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Post by rozal »

BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #58

for the past decade+ i’ve just lived with crippling adhd and dealt with it as best as i could. and boy do i mean crippling. i feel like dependency on a prescription stimulant is asking for trouble, at least for me personally.

Stop taking it.

I’ve been diagnosed three times. At ages 6 , 18, and 23. Taking every drug. Adderall, vyvance, strattera, etc.

The diagnosing is hogwash. There isn’t a scientific test. All ‘psychiatrists’ do is take you in for a visit or two, listen to your story, and write you the prescription.

I used to be ‘unable to focus’, and took pills for it. I even see people addicted to them to the point they take sleeping medication and other pills to make up for those side effects. No thanks!

These are intense drugs, and not the good kind like DMT, LSD, or Marijuana. Which those, actually had a profound effect on me and my way of thinking. For example, weed makes me productive - and makes otherwise shit work - amazing.

Another thing is eating healthy, organic foods, vegetables, and pasture raised meats, along with exercise. These do wonders for your state of mind. Organic foods (and pasture raised meats, eggs, dairy) have up to 200x the nutrient levels compared to non-organic.

Lastly, self discipline. I had to learn to master my mind and truly discipline myself for my actions. And to make the effort to constantly ‘make it happen’, no matter what. It’s a set of values instilled and the courage to back up your own values when no one else is to judge you but your own mind. Don’t let you mind off the hook for so many things - “oh I didn’t make the bed…it’s fine” no, it’s not fine.

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Post by tiedieconderoga »

chasd00 wrote: post #52

I need adderall to function but on my last refill the pharmacy was out and when I asked when they’ll get more the tech said “maybe next year?”. I got my doc to switch me to vyvanse which is 3x the price even with good insurance since it’s still brand only. I don’t like vyvanse compared to plain generic adderall but I’ll take what I can get. Seems like they’d make dispensing it harder rather than just cut off the supp…

Not medical advice but IIRC, Vyvanse is essentially the name-brand product with an extra methyl group stuck on. Your pancreas produces an enzyme called Trypsin that breaks off that methyl group, and turns it into the active ingredient. It's considered an extended release because the enzyme's availability is limited in your body.

Trypsin is not exactly a common supplement, but you might consider looking into which kinds of foods can inhibit or encourage its production. Grains and cereals will probably inhibit it, unfortunately.

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Post by neilparikh »

westmeal wrote: post #8
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that to be expected, though? There's plenty of people who wouldn't subject themselves to the ordeal of going to the doctors to pursue a diagnosis of an untreatable disease. You just suffer through it. In contrast, if there's a known treatment for it, then the reward (not having ADD symptoms) dramatically outweighs the cost (of drudging through doctors appointments). I'd bet the number of surgeries significantly…

I suppose, but anecdotally I was told I have ADD by my family physician and was prescribed various stimulants including adderall and ritalin. I only stopped and got on a patch based medication when I was losing weight because of the amphetamines destroying my appetite and I was already a skinny bastard. The only difference I felt on the medication is that I was methed up. This could have been a misdiagnosis but the t…

> In my eyes, the only problem I had is that I thought school was a meaningless chore. Should we make children take meth because they don't like the system they're in?

This is what the problem was for you. It's quite a leap from there to assume that all children on ADHD medications also happen to have the same problem.

For many people with ADHD, the difficulty is beyond "the system they're in". Being regularly late to events, zoning out when talking to someone, living in a chaotic/messy living space etc. (common problems with those with ADHD) will still be a problem in a hypothetical better school system or post-scarcity communism society.

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