Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel the only recognisable words we’d decode is a farewell and some kind of gratitude about food…
possible also greeting, demand for food, and telling us to piss off.
Thanks for all the fish!
If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys?
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Re: If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys?
#92This is an almost copy/paste in 2023 from another article from 2016:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/monkeys-brain-power-talk-la...
Re: If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys?
#93Sorry but I was going to sleep, the article title was intriguing to me but was 12+ paragraphs long, so I ask ChatGPT the same question and I got 3 short paragraphs. Hope I'm not missing too much. > If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys? > Parrots are able to mimic human speech because they have a specialized vocal organ, called a syrinx, that allows them to control the sounds they produce. This ability is not shared…
That is not a very good answer. What ChatGPT basically said was: “Monkeys can’t speak because they don’t have a bird-only organ and because syntax is hard”
I think you would have had a much better result if you had asked it to summarize this (fun and interesting) article.
Re: If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys?
#94A very interesting read, which describes how for ~50 years the community was lead astray by a seemingly simple oversight: studying dead animals instead of living ones! >Charles Darwin theorized that monkeys had the vocal anatomy needed for speech, but lacked the necessary neural mechanisms. >This was the most popular hypothesis until 1969 [when] Lieberman studied the vocal anatomy of a monkey corpse and concluded tha…
Now do dogs. Are they missing any anatomy for speech or is that also neural?
The fact that parrots and humans with different anatomies can speak means it’s likely just neural.
Re: If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys?
#95Sorry but I was going to sleep, the article title was intriguing to me but was 12+ paragraphs long, so I ask ChatGPT the same question and I got 3 short paragraphs. Hope I'm not missing too much. > If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys? > Parrots are able to mimic human speech because they have a specialized vocal organ, called a syrinx, that allows them to control the sounds they produce. This ability is not shared…
It’s silly enough that you did this but rather annoying that you posted it here
Re: If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys?
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, we just put some AI via electrodes into the monkeys. If we can also add some blockchain, I think we'll have a winner. Let's circle back Monday on this idea, I'd like to pick your brain some more.
I think you meant, "pick nico's LLM." In any case, you bring up an important issue: can monkeys bitcoin? Could we backport a blockchain experiment in the same way that demoscene Hungarians have backported math hacks to fuel unexpectedly sophisticated realtime graphics to the C64?
>In any case, you bring up an important issue: can monkeys bitcoin?
What's the hashrate of infinite monkeys on typewriters?
Re: If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys?
#97It's interesting to compare this "sound-talk" that parrots can easily accomplish with the obviously greater intelligence of apes, who can't reproduce human sounds, with the debate over whether chatGPT is intelligent or not. Note that Koko was obviously a greater communicator than any parrot ever was. Is mimicking human behaviour a necessary, or even sufficient, criteria for demonstrating cognition and intelligence?
The story of Washoe is arguable more relevant than Koko.
I remember seeing this on TV when I was a kid.
The part that starts at 32:00 to around 38:00 is quite interesting, they programmed a PDP-8 to function as an icon-based chat mechanism. I always remembered the "grooming" part.
Re: If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys?
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, we just put some AI via electrodes into the monkeys. If we can also add some blockchain, I think we'll have a winner. Let's circle back Monday on this idea, I'd like to pick your brain some more.
I think you meant, "pick nico's LLM." In any case, you bring up an important issue: can monkeys bitcoin? Could we backport a blockchain experiment in the same way that demoscene Hungarians have backported math hacks to fuel unexpectedly sophisticated realtime graphics to the C64?
> Could we backport a blockchain experiment
Interesting.
Translating from human language to monkey language = backporting
Would it then be that:
AI language -> human language also equals backporting?
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#99Re: If parrots can talk, why can’t monkeys?
#100I've seen this movie and it doesn't ever end well for us.