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Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Re: Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Post by Spooky23 »

vuln wrote: post #33
warner25 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone puts classified information into Quizlet, that constitutes spillage whether they set it to private or not. Sometimes this kind of thing needs to be explained even to very senior people, not just lowly troops. I knew of a four-star general asking a few years ago why we didn't use Signal for stuff instead of Teams (O365 tenant hosted in Microsoft's Government Community Cloud), because he "heard that it's so…

> Edited to add: Another very senior DoD person actually got in trouble for using Signal for official business a couple years ago because, among other reasons, there's no way for the government comply with FOIA when someone is using a personal account on a commercial application like that. Do you have any additional information on the punishment? The precedence has been set that “no reasonable prosecutor “ would pros…

Prosecutorial discretion does not have precedent.

Re: Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Post by warner25 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #40
vuln wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Edited to add: Another very senior DoD person actually got in trouble for using Signal for official business a couple years ago because, among other reasons, there's no way for the government comply with FOIA when someone is using a personal account on a commercial application like that. Do you have any additional information on the punishment? The precedence has been set that “no reasonable prosecutor “ would pros…

https://www.nextgov.com/cxo-briefing/2021/06/defense-digital... He stepped down, and my quick search doesn't show him actually facing punishment. And his case was different, as some members of staff did believe he was encouraging use of Signal to prevent FOIA strikes.

Yeah, I have no inside knowledge, but it certainly looks like nothing in the way of criminal punishment. From various articles, it sounds like he only intended to do a two-year term, and he actually stayed in the position a few months after that while the investigation was taking place. He stepped down before the report was finally published: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jun/21/2002745247/-1/-1/1/DOD...

Per his LinkedIn page, he went straight to what is probably a cushy job at Vanderbilt University. Interesting career path, by the way. He was "Director of IT at OpenTable" for seven years, and then did four years as a "Police Officer" in the Chicago PD before going back to IT stuff there.

Re: Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Post by havblue »

whalesalad wrote: post #34
itronitron wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uhm, setting the quizlet flashcards to private would have still resulted in a leak of sensitive data...

You’re not wrong - but “If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?” comes to mind.

The espionage act treats negligence with strict liability. So if you "could have" caused a leak, it's still treated like a leak.

Re: Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Post by whalesalad »

havblue wrote: post #43
whalesalad wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not wrong - but “If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?” comes to mind.

The espionage act treats negligence with strict liability. So if you "could have" caused a leak, it's still treated like a leak.

Is your username an homage to the stealth fighter?

Re: Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Post by iamerroragent »

vuln wrote: post #33
warner25 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone puts classified information into Quizlet, that constitutes spillage whether they set it to private or not. Sometimes this kind of thing needs to be explained even to very senior people, not just lowly troops. I knew of a four-star general asking a few years ago why we didn't use Signal for stuff instead of Teams (O365 tenant hosted in Microsoft's Government Community Cloud), because he "heard that it's so…

> Edited to add: Another very senior DoD person actually got in trouble for using Signal for official business a couple years ago because, among other reasons, there's no way for the government comply with FOIA when someone is using a personal account on a commercial application like that. Do you have any additional information on the punishment? The precedence has been set that “no reasonable prosecutor “ would pros…

I'd like some toasted hombres with a nice big fat slab of butter please.

Re: Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Post by avar »

bostonsre wrote: post #9

Would they be wearing protective gear if it was an actual accident? Also, the dude with the clip board doesn't look very concerned...

Hypothetically, if the bomb is damaged in such a way that it may accidentally detonate, it's going to be pointless to try to fix the issue while wearing protective gear.

Re: Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Post by dragonwriter »

havblue wrote: post #43
whalesalad wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not wrong - but “If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?” comes to mind.

The espionage act treats negligence with strict liability. So if you "could have" caused a leak, it's still treated like a leak.

> The espionage act treats negligence with strict liability

“Negligence” and “strict liability” are different standards, you can’t treat one with the other.

> So if you "could have" caused a leak, it's still treated like a leak.

That’s very much not how the Espionage Act works, even just on the statute and beforr considering Supreme Court precedent limiting its application.

Re: Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Post by JackGreyhat »

whalesalad wrote: post #34
itronitron wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uhm, setting the quizlet flashcards to private would have still resulted in a leak of sensitive data...

You’re not wrong - but “If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?” comes to mind.

No...But it creates pressure in the form of soundwaves, which could be picked up by ears and brains to translate it into sound ;) Everything required to make sound is there.

Was that your point?

Re: Was there a U.S. nuclear weapons accident at a Dutch air base?

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Post by morpheuskafka »

MikeDelta wrote: post #6

Regarding secrecy: a few years ago secret information got out because soldiers used flash-card apps to learn it, and those cards were released/available publicly. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/05/28/us-soldiers-expos...

You can find a lot of stuff on Quizlet with DoD related keywords. Seems like there are these tests they have to take for various MOS's that they are studying for.

I'm pretty sure most of it is unclassified, but some of it might not be public. The flashcards for security guard/MP stuff has some generic stuff like gate runner procedures, but they also have base-specific things such as where Department of Energy OST convoys carrying Special Nuclear Material or weapons would park on base during a Safe Haven unscheduled stop. There used to be one with an old sign/countersign I think.

The IT ones have information about where certain undersea cables and satellite ground stations are. The most sensitive stuff seems to be locations of infrastructure within a base. One of them mentions something about Building NH-95 at the Hampton Roads Naval base as being a critical site in the TS/SCI-classified network. Some of them also have the names of the officers responsible for certain programs that could be compromise targets.

https://quizlet.com/463959814/scif-flash-cards/

https://quizlet.com/547051333/knowperform-doe-vansafe-haven-...

https://quizlet.com/773174649/spec-op-flash-cards/

https://quizlet.com/761500482/isec-osi-308-310-flash-cards/

https://quizlet.com/519052943/setup-and-operate-the-kg-175d-...

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