I’m not a big fan of these features and i turn them off right away. MS is going to where the consumers are. anyone under 30 will expect this content . imagine a 20 year old using windows 2k and the only real apps are notepad and ms paint . We give companies too much blame for providing consumers what they want. MS could do a better job with transparency and control of these features. But i don’t believe the blame is…
As a 23 year old, no idea what you mean. That seems more targeted towards 65 (those news) if you ask me.
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#842I’m not a big fan of these features and i turn them off right away. MS is going to where the consumers are. anyone under 30 will expect this content . imagine a 20 year old using windows 2k and the only real apps are notepad and ms paint . We give companies too much blame for providing consumers what they want. MS could do a better job with transparency and control of these features. But i don’t believe the blame is…
> anyone under 30 will expect this content I'm under 30, and I absolutely do not expect my OS to push this crap on me.
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I don't understand how Microsoft can cheapen their main OS that much. If they really wanted to emulate Apple, they wouldn't fill their OS with trash in every corner. This also extends to the default landing page of Edge. This is the worst form of bullvard, it is a tiny bit better than directly advocating for penis enlargement on the internet. But not by much at all. There should be no ads on the OS level. Especially…
Comparing Microsoft and Apple seems appropriate because they both develop operating systems that compete in the consumer market. It’s really not. Apple is a hardware company that develops an operating system and services to add value to their hardware. They make nearly all of their money from hardware. For the longest time, Microsoft didn’t really make any hardware at all, apart from some peripherals like keyboards a…
It seems like Apple has largely forgotten that; a hardware company seeking to maximize value for their hardware would, for example, tolerate (if not outright encourage) alternative operating systems on said hardware instead of using "security" as an excuse to maintain a tighter and tighter grip on a walled garden of software. The App Store is lucrative enough that it's sucked in the rest of Apple; instead of making hardware for hardware's sake, Apple's hardware is increasingly a funnel into that App Store ecosystem.
Likewise...
> The biggest reason they’re trashing up their OS with advertising and other crap these days is that they now make a lot less money from Windows licenses than they used to.
You'd think a company whose bread and butter is software and services would understand that pissing off customers ain't exactly a winning strategy for making money off those software and services.
I'd also question the idea that they're making significantly less money on Windows licenses than before. Yeah, not very many people are buying retail copies of Windows like they were back in the day, but there's still plenty of volume from desktop/laptop OEMs (in spite of the perennial claims that mobile devices have killed the desktop) and plenty of volume from enterprise customers (which is arguably Microsoft's money tree, far more so than anything consumer-facing). Microsoft's probably perfectly fine with Windows Home Edition (and even, to an extent, Professional Edition) being a loss leader of sorts if it means maintaining mindshare such that enterprises instinctively pick Windows Enterprise Edition and Windows Server for their business needs, and especially if they instinctively pick those running on Azure. Shoving a bunch of ads and bloatware into their flagship OS is entirely unnecessary from that perspective.
The ads and bloatware are more likely from the other side of Microsoft's strategy: competing with Google on the ad delivery and search engine front. There's growing pressure from the Bing side of things to use the consumer versions of Windows as a funnel into Bing - as manifested in everything from the Start Menu to the incessant demands to use Edge as the default browser (which just so happens to use Bing as its default search engine).
There are countless other examples of this tendency of accidental goldmines sucking in the rest of a company's products and turning them into funnels. Valve is a notable case, with Steam evolving from a tool to support Valve's bread-and-butter of PC games to Valve's bread-and-butter in and of itself - and with Valve's software and (more recently) hardware projects serving primarily as funnels into the Steam ecosystem.
Re: The day Windows died
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I don't understand how Microsoft can cheapen their main OS that much. If they really wanted to emulate Apple, they wouldn't fill their OS with trash in every corner. This also extends to the default landing page of Edge. This is the worst form of bullvard, it is a tiny bit better than directly advocating for penis enlargement on the internet. But not by much at all. There should be no ads on the OS level. Especially…
> I don't understand how Microsoft can cheapen their main OS that much. There's genuinely no economic incentive for them not to sell their own OS down the river at this point. Mac has established itself as a only-on-mac-hardware market, which rules it out as an option for the majority of corporate and educational settings, and while I wish the year-of-the-linux-desktop was actually coming, most coorporations just are…
I think it has a lot more to do with nostalgia goggles. Windows 95 still had a lot of the same cruft on install. It really wanted you to sign up for an MSN dial-up account to use the bundled IE to browse MSN.com as your home page "of choice". Another bundled app suggested a subscription service to get and send Faxes.
(Windows was always like this. It seems far more "extreme" now, but the roots are deep and old. A lot of regular Windows users don't even notice what Windows 11 is doing because the frog has been boiling in that pot for so long.)
Don't forget was Windows 95 that became the anti-trust scandal because a lot of people felt at the time that Microsoft didn't have to genuinely attempt to compete economically for their OS.
(Same as it ever was.)
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> I guess I'll crawl back into my cave and keep using Linux for the foreseeable future. Yeah you could do that, but now even Ubuntu includes ads when invoking apt. There is no escape from the ads, and it will only get worse. Even flatpak must be immediately removed, and snaps for that matter. As it is adware clutter for the system.
Don't use Ubuntu then. Use a libre distro, as Trisquel.
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Comparing Microsoft and Apple seems appropriate because they both develop operating systems that compete in the consumer market. It’s really not. Apple is a hardware company that develops an operating system and services to add value to their hardware. They make nearly all of their money from hardware. For the longest time, Microsoft didn’t really make any hardware at all, apart from some peripherals like keyboards a…
> Apple is a hardware company that develops an operating system and services to add value to their hardware. They make nearly all of their money from hardware. It seems like Apple has largely forgotten that; a hardware company seeking to maximize value for their hardware would, for example, tolerate (if not outright encourage) alternative operating systems on said hardware instead of using "security" as an excuse to…
It’s a terminal phase you see in a lot of companies. Phase 1 is mega growth in user base. Phase 2 is innovation to try to sell as much as possible to the base, but mostly steady state. Phase 3 is shady monetizing and dark patterns to try to squeeze the last drops of revenue out of the base before dying.
It resembles the lifecycle of a star actually.
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Also bought a ThinkPad a few months ago, right away installed Linux (Fedora). I didn't even second guess, just straight up formatted away the yucky pre-installed Windows 11.
Any experience with USB-C dock and DisplayLink drivers? I tried openSUSE, but the only distro that seems to play with DisplayLink (or, actually it's the other way around) is Ubuntu. And I like Ubuntu as a server, but not as a desktop...
Dell WD19S or Cable Matters USB C docks (201055, 201056) have been flawless for my org all with Fedora laptops. For thunderbolt Caldigit has some decent options but you are still looking at $200-300 for anything decent.
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Switched over ~10 years ago. Was rough then -- pretty dang easy now. Fedora 36 is pretty smooth. Only issue was a nvidia driver update a couple of years ago, but was easy enough to unwind. Otherwise no issues. It's like that Neil Stephenson passage where he compares BeOS to the Batmobile, MacOS to a Lexus, Windows to a station wagon, and Linux to a tank, with the problem being that people are scared to learn how to d…
I switched from ubuntu to debian and from debian to fedora (37). Fedora is just great. And being a red hat certified sysadmin, I'm liking it even more.
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I'll do you one better, used Mac for two years, Windows for most of the rest, and a hell of a lot of Linux all throughout. Found the opposite regarding cognitive load with MacOS - it feels like a ten year old operating system full of weird quirks and I got annoyed with its almost-linux-but-not command line. Win11 with WSL2 is my preferred driver, both for hacking and development (primarily Rust/Go not Node so maybe t…
Not really subjective, as there are demonstrable instances where windows just falls over. One easy example: Bash/sh works the same on Linux and Mac. Nowhere on windows is that true: cygwin mangles paths in a demonstrable script-braking way. WSL is not windows. It is literally linux running on windows. Which is even more complicated than running a half-baked shell. You're basically using a different OS which is an adm…
Your WSL comparisons are incorrect as well: WSL Linux on Windows can not only access and run commands like find over the entire windows file system, but it can also run windows executables - these start in windows even though triggered from bash or whatever in Linux. And vice versa: Windows can run linux binaries which start in WSL (or dual use it like Docker for windows which uses a wsl backend). Furthermore, if that floats your boat, if you start a linux gui application (I occasionally do with browsers or certain recon tools) it runs fine in a window as part of the windows ui experience.
So its not really like a linux vm on mac at all, not even considering the vastly better performance you get from WSL vs a VM.
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This. I'm forced to use Windows at my current gig, and I'm gobsmacked by the presence of baked-in cheap consumer marketing, and celebrity news, front and center in this supposedly professional environment. I've been able to suppress or route around ~all of it, but it's kind of ridiculous that I have to mitigate it in the first place.
Enterprise images and settings should make it easy to squash that -- what is IT doing?
One of the sysadmins responded with something like "lol" followed by a screenshot of an Xbox app on a production server.