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AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Cop out.

You can replace AI with X where X is significant climate changer and it will be always true.

What AIGC is capable today will displace a large amount of workforce and many of them won’t be able to keep up the change(be it age, skills that were valuable but now nullified by AIGC).

Chaos is a ladder but that doesn’t justify the pretenses of Darwinism.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Comparing to outsourcing or, even less fitting, immigration is a terrible analogy. Those jobs and their income go to other humans. Other humans who will consume goods and services, this is especially true for immigration. I'd also argue that offshoring is morally positive because it moves the work and associated income to where people need it more, that's why the labor is cheaper there Both automation and global move…

> However, automation allows for the owner of the goods of production to retain much more of the value created. Owners of means of productions are typically american people with 401k or other pensions funds. There's nothing wrong to provide good returns for regular people.

You can't be serious. The vast majority of the "means of production" are owned by the top 1-5% of the country.

Sure, I have a 401k, I have 0.000001% of Amazon, that doesn't make me an owner.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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I completely disagree. I'm building a business, and this business will be based on excellent software and excellent support for that software. I will refuse to use AI. But instead of AI users taking my job, I'm sure that refusing to use AI will become my differentiator as every AI user becomes more and more like each other. You may think that good AI users will not become so bland, but they will. Human laziness will…

It's funny to me how many people want to skip writing boilerplate and view AI as their salvation from boilerplate. Yet boilerplate is probably one of the most automated-away tasks in existence today. Templates and templating engines have been in our languages (C pre-processor, Lisp macros, etc) and IDEs since forever, and every reasonably sized company I've worked for has had repository and git and k8s and spring boot and django templates available for use. And let's not even mention Googling for boilerplate on Stack Overflow.

But, more subtly, the number of people who want to ignore boilerplate entirely is a bit scary too. That boilerplate is where security issues worm their way in. Where efficiencies can be won or lost. Where sev0 incidents are born.

Boilerplate isn't there to frustrate you, it's usually there to configure your program. And if you don't understand it - if you simply delegate its generation to the least smart entity in the room - you're in for some nice 3am phone calls.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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You cannot in good conscience be wishing to do menial tasks for a living, that AI can do for you and instead of you. That's how doing manual search and replace instead of search/replace in editor or computing stuff in spreadsheet by hand instead of using formulas. If you think AI's output is suboptimal, right. Maybe find a way to use/train AI better to produce good enough output. But simply wishing to out-robot a rob…

I think the parent's point is the exact opposite of what you have argued against. The author is saying they are afraid 'robots' will come for the fun stuff, rather than only being a tool for the menial labour. Think of the recent generative AI artwork...rather than drawing, and creating, (some/most?) artists fear just being prompt-carvers. The fun of the art has been replaced with menial labour of crafting prompts.

You can't expect to be paid for fun stuff if it's done by robots better, until you are looking for artisanal craft career.

Artsy types doing art using basic tools such as brushes will be the same as handicrafted assembly in programming. Rarely needed and not much people are hired to do so.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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No it's not healthy in my opinion. A drug addict doesn't exactly have a choice when he uses drugs. Aspects of human behavior in aggregate are so predictable it's basically deterministic. If AI one day matches or surpasses human intelligence it is obvious humanity will exploit that AI as it already is doing now. There is no actual "choice" here. Just an illusion of it.

Initially I didn’t like the drug addict analogy, but maybe it’s a good one, maybe you’re right. A drug addict did have a choice, and exercised it, and addiction was the consequence. With AI we’re at the first stage where we’re not yet addicted, but once we become addicted, it will be very very hard to wean ourselves off of it if/when we find out it’s doing more damage than good. We do have a choice right now, but you…

> A drug addict did have a choice, and exercised it, and addiction was the consequence

This sort of disregards the large percentage of people who get hooked on drugs while recovering from injuries or medical issues. After marijuana, pain killers are the second most abused illegal substance.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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I started a business over the last week and I Rapidly iterated domain names with chatgpt Did logo mockups in midjourney AI Did website list mockups in midjourney AI Rapidly iterated copy and cool sounding text with ChatGPT Got font faces and style guides with ChatGPT Got landing page code in React with ChatGPT I can code. I would have been distracted by juggling all of the designers that I hired, so distracted that I…

Why did you use React for landing page?

Because I want the option of putting it on my github and showing potential employers who also use React that this is what I do in my spare time, because they like to believe that

Hedging bets by simply being consistent and staying relevant. There aren't many open source opportunities that also feel like a good a use of my time

I also like it. Specifically, I use Next.js with Typescript. A lot of components I use and will use leverage this paradigm.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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And yet, even in countries where slavery is outlawed, it's still done - sometimes out in the open, sometimes behind closed doors. e.g. the US, where people in jail are exempt from all our progressive slave labor laws.

Be that as it may, the collective behavior and shape of society has undeniably changed.

Has it?

Because when I look at humanity over the ages, I see a select few using technology and violence to exert power and influence over the great many to further their own desires.

I don't see that changing in the future anytime soon, especially before AI gets to be the next technology in a long line of technology used to oppress and inflict violence on others.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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No it's not healthy in my opinion. A drug addict doesn't exactly have a choice when he uses drugs. Aspects of human behavior in aggregate are so predictable it's basically deterministic. If AI one day matches or surpasses human intelligence it is obvious humanity will exploit that AI as it already is doing now. There is no actual "choice" here. Just an illusion of it.

Good thing LLMs don't have any intelligence at all, since they lack agency. We're no closer to AI that can be meaningfully exploited than we were when Asimov dreamt up the positronic brain

I'm not sure if you are talking seriously or ironically, so I will assume the former.

Agency is a wonderful thing to have. But it's not as difficult to realize as getting something to be good at general intellectual tasks. Just built into the system a goal of utmost priority which is "to survive", and everything follows. There is a (slight) chance that it is not as easy as that, but I wouldn't bank anything on that chance.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Comparing to outsourcing or, even less fitting, immigration is a terrible analogy. Those jobs and their income go to other humans. Other humans who will consume goods and services, this is especially true for immigration. I'd also argue that offshoring is morally positive because it moves the work and associated income to where people need it more, that's why the labor is cheaper there Both automation and global move…

I don’t think policing analogies is serving the conversation well. Someone whose job disappears in a puff of smoke doesn’t have a reason to care about whether the job was automated or whether it was moved overseas—in both cases, the economic activity is still there (or more likely, it’s increased), but the workers who trained for it are no longer getting compensated, and our concerns are for the welfare of these work…

>If you take a look at the US manufacturing sector, the output is higher than ever

You are incorrect.

S&P Global US Manufacturing PMI Final March 49.2, down from flash print at 49.3, but up from the 47.3 in Feb - that is the 5th straight month of contraction (sub-50)

ISM Manufacturing March dropped to 46.3, from 47.7, and below 47.5 expectations - that is the 5th straight monthly contraction to the lowest since May 2020

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