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Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #69
japhyr wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a math teacher, this is such a funny comparison to keep reading. Yes, there's a difference between a deterministic outcome and a non-deterministic one. But throw humans into the loop, and it becomes more interesting. I can't count the number of times I've listened to someone argue their answer must be right because they got it from the calculator. And it's not just students; as a teacher I've always paid attention…

> I can't count the number of times I've listened to someone argue their answer must be right because they got it from the calculator. Answers from calculators are always right! But the human may have asked the wrong question.

I actually agree with you, but, in the same vein, does it not mean that user did not ask correct prompt?

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Post by throwaway22032 »

blibble wrote: post #50
throwaway22032 wrote: post #28

It's a timescale, like all technological progress. Or even evolution. So you're working in a games development studio as a visual artist. At first you're producing renderings in Blender or whatever. Then, AI is able to generate three-dimensional meshes for you. You are in the loop, deciding that these meshes are suitable, which textures work, which are the best, designing the prompts, etc. This is 3D midjourney. At t…

> The AI has now replaced you as an artist. The software team or management simply ask the AI - "please produce me a set of fantasy character models for my game, with these characteristics". This is essentially GPT mixed with 3D midjourney. then about 6 months in people start noticing that every game looks exactly the same

Why?

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Post by pzo »

jandrese wrote: post #40
snarf21 wrote: post #10

This is a nonsense headline. This is the equivalent of "Factory automation won't steal your job, companies that buy factory automation will." Democratization of AI tools will have upsides and downsides but non researchers weren't playing around with AI text/chat generation before this last round of simple to use tools came out.

My thought was it read exactly like "Guns don't kill people, people who squeeze the trigger kill people." Technically right in a specific context but completely misses the point.

Even if sceptic of AI are right, the gun/trigger analogy will still apply - because in short term those still big group who will embrace AI are those people that starts pulling the triggers. They will have adventage over those that prefer to stay samurai and not touch those guns.

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Post by cyrialize »

endorphine wrote: post #14
tosser0001 wrote: post #7

I'm not necessarily concerned that I will be entirely without a job because of AI. What I am concerned with is that the aspects of my job that I derive pleasure from will be replaced by AI.

Can you provide some examples of aspects of your work that you're concerned about?

Slightly related - there was a Reddit post about a person lamenting the changes in their job. [0] They make 3D models and they greatly enjoyed making models from scratch and taking 2-3 weeks to do so.

Now with AI, they use tools to create a model - and then spend 2-3 days to update it.

This is a productivity improvement, but it also took away a key thing they loved about their job. There isn't really a solution here at all, and the poster wasn't looking for solutions either. Just venting.

We'll be seeing this more in the future, and I wouldn't be surprised if multiple people change careers over it.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35308498

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

lolsowrong wrote: post #78
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't count the number of times I've listened to someone argue their answer must be right because they got it from the calculator. Answers from calculators are always right! But the human may have asked the wrong question.

Go type .1*.2 into any JavaScript console. Edit: slapping a few more in here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/troubleshoot/excel/... https://daviddeley.com/pentbug/index.htm

The answer in the Javascript console is still a correct answer. The user did not specify a level of precision, and web browsers are programmed to use a precision level which is reasonable under most circumstances. If the user needs a higher level of precision, he or she needs to specify that as part of the question (such as by not using floating point numbers).

I don't mean to be pedantic. I teach coding to elementary school students, and this is something fundamental I try to make them understand. A computer will always do what you tell it to do. A bug is when you accidentally tell a computer to do something different than what you'd intended.

Going back to the calculator example, if a student used a calculator and got the wrong answer, the problem didn't come from the calculator. This is useful to understand; it can help the student work backwards to figure out what did go wrong.

AI is different in that we've instructed the computer to develop and follow its own instructions. When ChatGPT gives the wrong answer, it is in fact giving the right answer according to the instructions it was instructed to write for itself. With this many layers of abstraction, however, the maxim that computers "always do what you tell them" is no longer useful. No human truly knows what the computer is trying to do.

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Post by ajmurmann »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #170
photochemsyn wrote: post #144

I see this sentiment expressed frequently: > "The past decades have shown that the benefits of technology are unevenly distributed, with some rich becoming super-rich with a good portion of the people lagging behind. However, it is also fair to say that the average well being in the world has steadily increased." The average is far less important than the median , when it comes to social stability. You could argue th…

> why not cut the employee's working hours in half while retaining the same salary Because every C-suite wants to see YoY and MoM growth, every single year. An easy way to get that in your scenario his have the employees suddenly become 2x as productive with no extra hiring and minimal additional cost.

It's not only C-suites. It's also everyone of us because we like to see our retirement savings go up. Raising the floor needs to happen at a societal level through a coordinated effort like UBI. If a company were to decide to just give all productivity gains to its workers, that company would get no more funding and ultimately lose to its competitors.

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Post by timr »

ajmurmann wrote: post #206
JohnFen wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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If you look at any metric like life expectancy, literacy rates, child mortality, things have gotten so much better. (One exception is the US where life expectancy dropped. As was heavily discussed online the last days, this is mostly due to gun violence, traffic accidents and drug abuse which IMO are largely cultural and not due to automation)

> this is mostly due to gun violence, traffic accidents and drug abuse which IMO are largely cultural and not due to automation)

Not really. It's mostly due to food and metabolic disorders (i.e. diabetes, heart disease; iirc heart disease is the #1 cause of death in the US, and depending on how you group, diabetes is in the top five), which actually underscores the point. People are dying at higher rates because they can get cheap calories at a rate unprecedented in human history.

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Post by dukeyukey »

JohnFen wrote: post #161
Aerroon wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I agree with that assertion in the first place. Life has improved a lot for most people, but it has improved in ways that you don't really notice. Your car is safer, your apartment is safer, your neighbor's apartment is safer (so it's less likely to burn down yours), there's less crime, there's less hunger, there's more available life saving medicines etc etc. These improvements just aren't all that noti…

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I'll bet that a poor person today has cheaper access to better medicines than a poor person 30 years ago.

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Post by globalise83 »

I think this is right. There is no AI in the foreseeable future that would be able to understand a complex business, prioritise and roadmap some future strategy, and convert that into business requirements detailed enough to implement as working software, architect a proper solution, and then work with an AI to develop and verify the software through an incremental development process. But I do believe that there are some people who could work with GPT 6 or 7 to achieve that. And those people would be productive enough to replace a whole team of product owner, architect, designer, developers, etc. and will therefore become very rich.

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Post by giaour »

go_prodev wrote: post #31
buf wrote: post #2

There are two types of people: 1. People afraid AI will take their jobs 2. People using AI to take people's jobs

3. Virtual people. AI pretending to be human to prevent humans from taking their job.

Don't forget about humans pretending to be an AI so that other humans will be impressed with how far AI has advanced: https://www.forbes.com/sites/cognitiveworld/2020/04/04/artif...
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