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AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Post by mvdl »

gavinhoward wrote: post #13

I completely disagree. I'm building a business, and this business will be based on excellent software and excellent support for that software. I will refuse to use AI. But instead of AI users taking my job, I'm sure that refusing to use AI will become my differentiator as every AI user becomes more and more like each other. You may think that good AI users will not become so bland, but they will. Human laziness will…

Absolutely! Laziness is the reason so many bright minds waste their talent in optimizing ads, maximizing nudging and producing clickbait because "it pays me such an awesome salary" and this same laziness is slowly causing the decline of big tech. Stay human, it is what we are.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Post by tricksforfree »

yieldcrv wrote: post #112
gavinhoward wrote: post #13

I completely disagree. I'm building a business, and this business will be based on excellent software and excellent support for that software. I will refuse to use AI. But instead of AI users taking my job, I'm sure that refusing to use AI will become my differentiator as every AI user becomes more and more like each other. You may think that good AI users will not become so bland, but they will. Human laziness will…

I started a business over the last week and I Rapidly iterated domain names with chatgpt Did logo mockups in midjourney AI Did website list mockups in midjourney AI Rapidly iterated copy and cool sounding text with ChatGPT Got font faces and style guides with ChatGPT Got landing page code in React with ChatGPT I can code. I would have been distracted by juggling all of the designers that I hired, so distracted that I…

Why did you use React for landing page?

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

chewz wrote: post #94
gavinhoward wrote: post #13

I completely disagree. I'm building a business, and this business will be based on excellent software and excellent support for that software. I will refuse to use AI. But instead of AI users taking my job, I'm sure that refusing to use AI will become my differentiator as every AI user becomes more and more like each other. You may think that good AI users will not become so bland, but they will. Human laziness will…

> The economic value of mediocre and derivative work is plummeting. But the value of truly excellent and original work will become even more unique, more highly prized. > A chasm between the third best and fourth best script writer, graphic designer, lawyer, etc. is just starting to open. ChatGPT might write the next Marvel movie but will never write the next Everything Everywhere All at Once. Not my words. By Eric P…

I think it may turn out to be like that but I don't see it as guaranteed. How can we be so sure that GPT-8 will not write things that we consider to be really original and unique?

I know, it's trained with human data and its output is based on that. The same can be said of human authors, though. Arguably we never create an idea from scratch, originality is just putting ideas together in really non-standard ways.

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Post by deebosong »

shadowgovt wrote: post #117
deebosong wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be a bad comparison. But I feel like Marvel movies (and TV shows) tried to scale, and lost it. And that there was a sweet-spot, where less was more. It's way to oversimplified, but I think they tried to churn out hits from a factory after a build-up in some home runs, but then took on too much and have diluted their films & shows, where it's all a bit flat and underdelivering what audiences expected. I lik…

There is one thing that's killing them, where they could stand to automate. Their sales and purchase-order process is also still manual; people answering emails by hand and filling out (literal carbon paper) triplicate work orders. But their aerospace customers have gone to zero-inventory kanban-style resource management, and that's a system that assumes a certain level of automation. We're talking companies placing…

Dang I guess some legacy stuff that should have gone by the wayside for everyone's benefit has managed to sink it's claws in and stay on for the ride! Hhahaah that sounds hilarious (and painful). Hope they can eventually see the light while maintaining their overall vision/ ethos/ gameplan.

Re: AI won't steal your job, people leveraging AI will

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

gavinhoward wrote: post #13

I completely disagree. I'm building a business, and this business will be based on excellent software and excellent support for that software. I will refuse to use AI. But instead of AI users taking my job, I'm sure that refusing to use AI will become my differentiator as every AI user becomes more and more like each other. You may think that good AI users will not become so bland, but they will. Human laziness will…

> Human laziness will drive them to accept more and more of what the AI says with less and less review of it.

People do this with evil marketing, the unscrupulous, personality cults, etc. Humans will always be human.

What is particularly stupid about the current AI panic is that the credulous are quickly extrapolating this to the dawn of general AI instead of seeing it for what it is: a potentially useful tool in a much larger toolbox.

Inexact tools have been around forever (see mathematics) and they can be useful when, say, paired with another tool (like a human) that is effective at interpreting, evaluating and adapting results. These are the sort of applications people should be thinking about.

Instead people are dreaming about how ChatGPT is going to write the next killer app for them, anthropologizing it (it's not 'wrong', it's 'hallucinating') and generally letting their imagination running away with them.

More thoughtful people will see the strengths and weaknesses of the technology and move it a step forward, making it a more useful tool. This isn't new, it's been happening since humans started using rocks and fire.

One day people will laugh about how people in 2023 got taken by a chat bot.

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Post by shadowgovt »

AlexandrB wrote: post #109
shadowgovt wrote: post #98

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Is it stupid? Because people are railing against the AI, not the system of evaluating worth and distributing wealth that implies that the advent of a miraculous labor-saving technology should be met with fear, not excitement about expansion of the capabilities of every human being.

I think this is right on. AI would be an amazing if it didn't mean that some people will have an even harder time making ends meet. Why does every technological innovation that improves productivity end up shifting even more resources to those at the top of the ladder?

The factory worker bemoans his station as the new automated smelter they're going to install may run him out of a job. Before he goes upstairs to commiserate with his spouse, he throws his dirty clothes in the washer, nary a care paid to the previous generation's neighbor children who used to make all their money washing other family's clothes for them.

(Probably not too much thought should be paid to the fact that when that economic system collapsed, we instituted allowances for children).

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Post by AlecSchueler »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #69
japhyr wrote: post #52

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As a math teacher, this is such a funny comparison to keep reading. Yes, there's a difference between a deterministic outcome and a non-deterministic one. But throw humans into the loop, and it becomes more interesting. I can't count the number of times I've listened to someone argue their answer must be right because they got it from the calculator. And it's not just students; as a teacher I've always paid attention…

> I can't count the number of times I've listened to someone argue their answer must be right because they got it from the calculator. Answers from calculators are always right! But the human may have asked the wrong question.

Answers from AI might not always be right and a human has to learn to judge them or refine their prompts accordingly. In either case there's a tool that a human must use and become savvy with.

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Post by pwinnski »

tricksforfree wrote: post #22
lolsowrong wrote: post #15

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You’re an inspiration. I’m going to open an accounting firm and refuse to use calculators.

How often are calculators confidently wrong?

There are three types of lies, as the saying goes: lies, damned lies, and statistics. But why are statistics considered lies?

Because of how they're used.

If you think of AI as a source of truth, obviously you're going to run into trouble: it "lies"! But if instead of thinking of it in isolation, you think of the person+AI producing results, then you should trust that person exactly as much as you would whether or not they use AI.

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Post by Herval_freire »

danogentili wrote: post #110
gavinhoward wrote: post #13

I completely disagree. I'm building a business, and this business will be based on excellent software and excellent support for that software. I will refuse to use AI. But instead of AI users taking my job, I'm sure that refusing to use AI will become my differentiator as every AI user becomes more and more like each other. You may think that good AI users will not become so bland, but they will. Human laziness will…

Heartily agree with this worldview: as I argued in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34277750 , I believe this is how creatives will be able to make a living in a post-AI world, by continuing to hand-craft art, stories and software that will stand out from the bland AI-generated landscape, and will be enjoyed by other humans, bored by and/or not willing to consume an endless flood of AI-generated content.

You're failing to account for the trajectory of this technology where AI easily produces content indistinguishable and superior to human content.

When such A I content becomes cheap and pervasive then AI will suddenly turn into a mirror to humanity. It will show us that "hand crafted" content is itself part of a bland and mechanical content generation algorithm.

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