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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#501

I think electric personal mobility vehicles are such a missed opportunity in terms of climate / traffic reduction. Certainly in the UK the fact that they started by being basically illegal for years and means they are, for the most part, ridden by people who don't give a shit or people who's parents don't give a shit.

This is about those rental ones.

Are they replacing cars or are they replacing a walk or bike ride?

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#503

I think electric personal mobility vehicles are such a missed opportunity in terms of climate / traffic reduction. Certainly in the UK the fact that they started by being basically illegal for years and means they are, for the most part, ridden by people who don't give a shit or people who's parents don't give a shit.

What's wrong with your regular old bicycle? what problem these e-scooters solve than the more ecological bicycles don't?

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #492

To be clear: it's not all e-scooter, it's the free service ones. Parisian can still own and use their own, but they're done with the ones being left on the ground randomly, being used in poor fashion (on the sidewalk, or with two/three people standing on one), being thrown in the river, ... And that's mostly caused by free services ones that you don't own and thus don't care if anything happens to it. I don't live in…

I don't live in Paris but we have them in our small city in the US and they are a nuisance.

We're only a rather small There are numerous problems and it's not just the scooters, obviously, and I know I'm a curmudgeon. But I find these companies to be abusing the commons. The scooters are left everywhere because these companies have no parking or maintenance infrastructure and actively rely on users leaving them on sidewalks.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#505

Are these things not valuable? I was wondering how they don't get grabbed up by the dozen and scrapped for parts.

I can't remember the blog but I read somewhere (IIRC) a e-scooter needs about 45 days to break even. So if 1 scooter can survive 2 months on the street it's a net profit.

Also, these things are ubiquitous enough that there is no demand and the internal parts are customized so that you can't break it down for resale. Early rideshare models were rebadged Ninebot and Xiaomi scooters. And you could replace the motherboard. They learned their lesson and almost everything is bespoke.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #495

103000 votes out of 1.38MM voters. Less than 7% of registered voters even bothered. So we can say 6% were firmly against. I am pro micromobility but some of these companies business models is a complete disservice to public order. It's a real tragedy of the commons. The companies that could implement scooter pens would lose marketshare to the ones that don't since a scooter on any corner is more convenient than a sco…

> The companies that could implement scooter pens would lose marketshare to the ones that don't since a scooter on any corner is more convenient than a scooter stored more than a block away.

Make it a condition for operating in the city, just like being capped to 20 or 25kmh is an obligation.

Take a car parking space every x00m and make it a e-scooter parking space. That would solve a lot of the nuisance

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#507

I think electric personal mobility vehicles are such a missed opportunity in terms of climate / traffic reduction. Certainly in the UK the fact that they started by being basically illegal for years and means they are, for the most part, ridden by people who don't give a shit or people who's parents don't give a shit.

What's wrong with your regular old bicycle? what problem these e-scooters solve than the more ecological bicycles don't?

I’m not a fan of escooters, but the main advantage i see is that once folded they can easily be carried up to the office and put under a desk. And similarly they take very little space in a small flat if you don’t have a garage. Not really the case for a bike, even folding ones

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #492

To be clear: it's not all e-scooter, it's the free service ones. Parisian can still own and use their own, but they're done with the ones being left on the ground randomly, being used in poor fashion (on the sidewalk, or with two/three people standing on one), being thrown in the river, ... And that's mostly caused by free services ones that you don't own and thus don't care if anything happens to it. I don't live in…

I'm glad scooters are not banned outright, every non-car person on the road is a bonus IMHO because it makes people care more about the road safety and air quality.

I don't know why governments in so many cities decide that scooter "litter" is acceptable in the slightest.

I don't blame startups for trying to get away with using everyone else's public and private property as their cost cutting "free storage" solution but come on now, no way in heck that can be done in society.

Nothing wrong with making them have official racks and bays around town, people can walk a block after they park.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #495

103000 votes out of 1.38MM voters. Less than 7% of registered voters even bothered. So we can say 6% were firmly against. I am pro micromobility but some of these companies business models is a complete disservice to public order. It's a real tragedy of the commons. The companies that could implement scooter pens would lose marketshare to the ones that don't since a scooter on any corner is more convenient than a sco…

Nationalise the scooters like we did with urban rail systems?

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#510
This mini-referendum is a joke.

These cause some minor problems for parisians, and are used by a small minority of people so obviously any kind of referendums will overwhelmingly be against it. Especially since there is no "I don't care" option.

What would be the answer to:

- For or against dogs in the city?

- For or against smoking in the street?

- For or against mosques?

This is pure demagogy.

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