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Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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I mean...yes and no. Starlink is valuable provided it's cheap: above a certain price point, the number of applications drops off and there's no guarantee the remainder will represent enough to actually fund it.

Compared to competitors, starlink is dirt cheap. Hughes has roughly 500ms ping times, and severe data caps, and was roughly that price.

Starlink actually seems underpriced to me. If the choice is Starlink, Hughes, maybe an equally barely-viable cellular hotspot, not everyone could afford $200-$300/month but a lot would.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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> I would love to ask the Starlink support team for more information since I own the equipment, but I can't because there's no email address, phone number, chat, or other way to message support That seals it. Better to buy HughesNet or similar. It may be slower but at least you can get support.

You just open the app and chat with support, it is super easy and they’re very responsive. Not sure what that quote is talking about.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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Maybe there's a business there. "Fake" a local internet company in order to provoke Telcos into rolling out fibre. It seems to work well enough for fake "grassroots" movements. You would need something like a political party to hire them.

Google Fiber?

Such disappointing potential

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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They didn't have to meet any performance targets until 2024 at the earliest so that was a bogus justification. They were fairly close but were cutting performance a bit to reach more customers pending the launch of more satellites. And just because Rosenworcel was appointed by Obama instead of Biden doesn’t mean she’s not a loyal part of the Biden administration.

the fcc is allowed to take their money back if your service is going in a downward trend. I'm not even sure what you're saying for. they showed that Starlink speeds were degrading significantly over a year. this data is also exactly what ookla and others showed. the only possible way it's going to increase before that, given the demand, is starship. that will not likely happen before 2024, so they were completely cor…

>the fcc is allowed to take their money back if your service is going in a downward trend.

That’s not quite right. They can take it if they conclude you will not meet the target. Ups and downs on the way there are totally fine under the rules.

Starlink can scale dramatically just by launching new satellites. The FCC is keen on stopping that too, refusing to approve all of Starlink’s satellite launch proposals and instead making them slow walk their growth.

In addition to hating Musk, the White House thinks fiber to the home is like rural electrification. Starlink, by providing very much good-enough universal service (though they can scale up to gigabit speeds, it’s just a matter of how many satellites they have), is threatening to undermine political support for spending money on fiber buildouts.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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You imagine that SpaceX and Elon Musk get by on borrowing VC money?

yes. this is easily verified. they have done many rounds of funding.

Huh. Looks like you're right: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/space-exploration-te...

I didn't expect that, since the company makes a lot of money. I guess they also invest a lot.

Anyway, thinks for the info update!

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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2.5 Gb/s symmetrical is a sweet deal. Here in Italy in a town of 3k people I got "only" a 1Gb/s symmetrical, but so far I can't complain. It costs 25€/month so it's a pretty great deal

And here I am in the US in a metro area with a population of over a million and I can't get fiber despite AT&T having come door to door hawking their service on the premise that they were installing fiber. Clearly there's just not enough people in my area and it's impossible.

I’m with you on that. I live in Evanston, IL. For those unaware, it is the first city north of Chicago along Lake Michigan. Hardly a backwater.

On the one hand, I have two competing cable providers (RCN/Astound and Comcast/Xfinity). Being able to swap between services as offers change has been huge (hey, competition is a thing!) Currently I’ve got 1400/40 (measured) on Xfinity.

But fiber? Totally absent. AT&T seems to serve other areas nearby but not mine. Why? No clue. But I’d sure love having a symmetric connection.

Incidentally, there are multiple fiber cables strung on the poles in the alley behind my house. Presumably they are the infrastructure for our two cables cos.

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and here in Austria I just cannot get symmetrical, running on 1000/50 Mb/s right now

Well, consumers in Austria and Germany have by far the shittiest internet in all of EU. That's what you get when you let your corrupt politicians sell your national infrastructure and customer base to private monopolists who will rentseek you instead of competing and investing in infrastructure. I remember walking into an A1 shop browsing for internet offers for my new apartment and the lady working there straight up…

Thank you Mr. Dr. Helmut Kohl!

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should read 'a lot of work' and 'a lot of money'. In my own little town, when we (residents) voted to pay for a municipal internet, the residents had to pay to replace close to 50% of the utility owned poles in order to gain access to those poles to run fiber. and due to the way the laws are written, we had to pay to have an engineer prescribe what work needed to be done to each pole - up to and including replacing i…

Generally speaking, what is the cost differential between hanging wires and digging wires? I would imagine that in rural areas, underground wires require less maintainence since you don't need to monitor them for fallen trees, brush overgrowth, etc. But at the same time I would guess the installation costs are higher? Maybe? Surely avoiding utility poles saves money.

> Generally speaking, what is the cost differential between hanging wires and digging wires?

Orders of magnitude. I actually once worked in construction, specifically in trench digging for German Telekom.

Putting up poles is easy, drill a hole in the ground for the pole, put the pole in, string a fiber on it, done. Even cheaper if you already have poles, all you need there is a truck with a lift. Downside is, unless you own the poles, you have to rent them from the local utility and some of these charge extortion rates for third parties. And there are always drunkards or people with shoddy cars taking down entire series of poles, not to mention adverse weather events and vandals taking pot shots. Phone and electricity lines are easy to fix, you can probably train apes to do that, but splicing fiber still involves specialists.

Trench digging is a whole different beast: you need to pull permits, dig the trench, hope you don't hit something else that's buried, deal with bad soil (sometimes straight out rock) or shit like WW2 bombs, lay down your cable, bury the cable in a first layer of fine sand, place a warning band, bury and fill up that with the coarse soil you removed, restore asphalt/plaster where needed... it takes weeks and multiple dedicated crews - usually you have one crew that deals with cutting up and removing asphalt, one that deals with placing and removing anti-traffic barriers, one with doing the actual dig and backfill, one that runs the cable, and one that restores surface.

There is a third way however, it's virtually "underground poles" - earth displacement hammers. These "rockets" can shoot up to 70m through the soil in one go. Nice shit but needs the right soil to operate and it will cut through anything already buried, including solid water and wastewater mains.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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I preordered Starlink in March of 2021, as soon as my first rural isp reneged on 50 megabits and sold me 5. 2 years later in western Virginia I still have no eta for my order and cannot contact anyone about it. I have 12 megabits from that same local ISP and it’s enough to do my job so I cancelled Starlink. I can’t imagine what customer service will be like if I am on preorder for two years and they refuse to give an…

I think starlink is deliberately not rolling out any more locations in the USA till their dispute with the FCC about the rural broadband money is sorted out. They don't want to deploy early, because then they wouldn't be eligible for the funding which is supposed to help them deploy. Notice that just over the canada and mexico borders have good service available today - suggesting bandwidth isn't the constraint.

That sweet government money!
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