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WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Re: WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Post by xeromal »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #8

If I were a UFC fan then I would be concerned about the integrity of UFC, given the pure entertainment and narrative focus that an organisation like WWE has. There will be moments where WWE execs or simply WWE practices and processes will realise that a certain UFC outcome will be much better entertainment. The question is whether or not everyone will forever have the integrity to ignore that as an option and if the…

I honestly thought this was an April fools joke. Kind of speaks to what the UFC prefers in their fighters though. They love heels and are always encouraging fighters to talk shit.

Re: WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Post by nperez »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #8

If I were a UFC fan then I would be concerned about the integrity of UFC, given the pure entertainment and narrative focus that an organisation like WWE has. There will be moments where WWE execs or simply WWE practices and processes will realise that a certain UFC outcome will be much better entertainment. The question is whether or not everyone will forever have the integrity to ignore that as an option and if the…

I'm an MMA fan and I'm not concerned about this affecting UFC's integrity. Their matchmaking is already often based off of what will be marketable. It's an accepted part of the business, and they know they need to balance it with high level competition.

I think this move really makes sense for the career paths of UFC fighters. Right now, you can have a very marketable fighter fall in the rankings, and suddenly lose a ton of value. MMA fighters also tend to decline really quickly with age. So a transition to something else like Pro Wrestling can be a good path to maintaining a really lucrative career, as we've seen with a bunch of fighters like Ronda Rousey, Brock Lesnar, and Ken Shamrock.

Re: WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Post by mistrial9 »

nailer wrote: post #18
AzzieElbab wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure Rogan is free to do whatever he wants. I would worry about the quality of upcoming ufc fights, though. The fighters will have to spend more time promoting fights with WWE-style kayfabe, sacrificing actual training.

> The fighters will have to spend more time promoting fights with WWE-style kayfabe This happens now. Colby doesn't have many recent wins but he's getting a title shot because he's provocative.

Colby represents a certain jingoism that will never get old.

Re: WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Post by stanleydrew »

mmcgaha wrote: post #19
sschueller wrote: post #12

So Joe Rogan may become a WWE commentator? I find that hilarious as he isn't a wrestling fan. "Back in 2014, Joe Rogan caught heat from pro wrestling fans after making fun of wrestling when comparing it to MMA. Rogan noted that MMA was real, while wrestling "was some weird, f**ing jerk-off thing that strange guys do when they sit in front of the TV and pretend that they don't know it's fake." Rogan later said he was…

I have been a wrestling fan for as long as I can remember. It is irritating to be in the middle of a show when someone walks in and feels the need to inform me that it is fake. They don't do that when I am watching a movie or television show. They don't even do it in other venues where it is a show such as monster truck jams. They only do it with wrestling (ok sometimes a moon landing documentary too).

Isn't that because wrestling producers have tried to maintain the illusion that it's "real?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe

Re: WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Post by dncornholio »

sschueller wrote: post #12

So Joe Rogan may become a WWE commentator? I find that hilarious as he isn't a wrestling fan. "Back in 2014, Joe Rogan caught heat from pro wrestling fans after making fun of wrestling when comparing it to MMA. Rogan noted that MMA was real, while wrestling "was some weird, f**ing jerk-off thing that strange guys do when they sit in front of the TV and pretend that they don't know it's fake." Rogan later said he was…

Non of those comments strike me as hostile. Looks like common casual talk. I was in the same boat, don't actually find WWE super entertaining, but respect the athletes. I do enjoy amateur wrestling and been to a lot of events.

All that Rogan said is not untrue.

Re: WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Post by remote_phone »

mmcgaha wrote: post #19
sschueller wrote: post #12

So Joe Rogan may become a WWE commentator? I find that hilarious as he isn't a wrestling fan. "Back in 2014, Joe Rogan caught heat from pro wrestling fans after making fun of wrestling when comparing it to MMA. Rogan noted that MMA was real, while wrestling "was some weird, f**ing jerk-off thing that strange guys do when they sit in front of the TV and pretend that they don't know it's fake." Rogan later said he was…

I have been a wrestling fan for as long as I can remember. It is irritating to be in the middle of a show when someone walks in and feels the need to inform me that it is fake. They don't do that when I am watching a movie or television show. They don't even do it in other venues where it is a show such as monster truck jams. They only do it with wrestling (ok sometimes a moon landing documentary too).

I’ve loved wrestling ever since I was a kid as well. I thought it was real until my dad pointed out that the a first person introduced always lost. That’s shattered my innocence but I started enjoying it more as I grew older because I could enjoy it as a joke/performance.

I watched it when it was called the WWF and stopped watching it just before it got renamed to the WWE so I’m less familiar with all the newer wrestlers from the last 20 years but I’ve seen the greats live, like Rick Flair. Being able to “woooooo!” with the entire arena was fun as hell even though we all know it wasn’t a real competitive event.

Re: WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Post by mistrial9 »

bilalq wrote: post #20
Quarrelsome wrote: post #8

If I were a UFC fan then I would be concerned about the integrity of UFC, given the pure entertainment and narrative focus that an organisation like WWE has. There will be moments where WWE execs or simply WWE practices and processes will realise that a certain UFC outcome will be much better entertainment. The question is whether or not everyone will forever have the integrity to ignore that as an option and if the…

The UFC already shapes events around marketability over merit as much as they can get away with. Look how long it took for Charles and Islam to get their title shots. The difficulty Islam had getting fights with people ranked above him on the way. Beneil and Belal still aren't getting title shots. Meanwhile, Colby gets away with just sitting out a year between title shot losses with fights against washed opponents sa…

> wants to sell drama, not sports

poor people around the world have little fight clubs all the time, and the result is "knuckle heads" with broken teeth and unable to work. This show business has big production value, good lighting with excellent cameras, and yes, stories that people can latch on to.. hint- fight fans are often not very smart.

Re: WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Post by jimbob45 »

nperez wrote: post #32
Quarrelsome wrote: post #8

If I were a UFC fan then I would be concerned about the integrity of UFC, given the pure entertainment and narrative focus that an organisation like WWE has. There will be moments where WWE execs or simply WWE practices and processes will realise that a certain UFC outcome will be much better entertainment. The question is whether or not everyone will forever have the integrity to ignore that as an option and if the…

I'm an MMA fan and I'm not concerned about this affecting UFC's integrity. Their matchmaking is already often based off of what will be marketable. It's an accepted part of the business, and they know they need to balance it with high level competition. I think this move really makes sense for the career paths of UFC fighters. Right now, you can have a very marketable fighter fall in the rankings, and suddenly lose a…

Marketability-centered matchmaking isn’t even exclusive to UFC. College football bowls are virtually never selected based on skill outside of the New Year’s Six.

Re: WWE Agrees to Merge with UFC

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Post by talideon »

Assuming the tournaments stay separate, this does make some sense, but if they start leaking into each other (other than people moving from UFC -> WWE later in their career), I don't think it'll be good for either.
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