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Midjourney CEO Silencing Satire About Xi Jinping

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Re: Midjourney CEO Silencing Satire About Xi Jinping

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Post by pclmulqdq »

alkonaut wrote: post #259
mindcandy wrote: post #74

Everyone is crying Corporate Greed in here. And, I can understand why. But, here’s another perspective based on listening to David Holz answer all kinds of questions from random users for four hours a week for over a year during Midjourney’s “Office Hours”. AFAICT, Midjourney has no shareholders and David Holz is the farthest thing from a slick CEO. He’s a big dreamer hippie dork. He made all the money he cares to ha…

> teams tries to stay out of it. There is no "staying out of" politics or just "remaining neutral" on topics (edit: the context here is "when doing business with the one of the belligerents of a conflict, an oppressive regime and so on. Not universally). Not taking a stand for one side in a two sided topic means taking the other side. Either you are pro gay rights or against it. Or you are pro democracy or against it…

Or you can legitimately not know what to think about any particular issue. Some people don't have a favorite color. Expecting everyone to have a considered opinion about every political topic is just unrealistic.

Re: Midjourney CEO Silencing Satire About Xi Jinping

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Post by iamerroragent »

411111111111111 wrote: post #153
Teever wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the private company is exercising its right to run its business according to its own free will. Let's run with that. Should a company be allowed to own slaves? Should a company be allowed to do business with a company that owns slaves?

For the record: pretty much all clothing is still created with effectively slave labour. Either in the harvesting of the cotton, refinement to cloth, sewing to clothing or finally when dyeing. And the second example: apple still has an assembly manned by Uruguay internment slaves and pretty much everyone here fawns over it every chance they get. So from the perspective of HN both of these are seemingly acceptable

Additionally there is prison labor which is legal in the U.S. to force someone to do.

Prison labor allows companies to purchase labor at a rate the non-incarcerated worker can't afford to sell their labor at.

Re: Midjourney CEO Silencing Satire About Xi Jinping

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Post by raincole »

freeAgent wrote: post #262

Many topics are censored in China. Are they going to try and keep up with all of them? For example, what would happen if someone asked for tank man dressed as a superhero?

There are so few photos of the tank man, so I highly doubt if AI can understand this concept as well as it understands "Xi Jinping".

Re: Midjourney CEO Silencing Satire About Xi Jinping

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Post by akaij »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #261
alkonaut wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> teams tries to stay out of it. There is no "staying out of" politics or just "remaining neutral" on topics (edit: the context here is "when doing business with the one of the belligerents of a conflict, an oppressive regime and so on. Not universally). Not taking a stand for one side in a two sided topic means taking the other side. Either you are pro gay rights or against it. Or you are pro democracy or against it…

Or you can legitimately not know what to think about any particular issue. Some people don't have a favorite color. Expecting everyone to have a considered opinion about every political topic is just unrealistic.

It has more to do with one side never missing a chance to appropriate your silence.

Re: Midjourney CEO Silencing Satire About Xi Jinping

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Post by manuelmoreale »

snehk wrote: post #212
qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of china. And its reflected in the sallaries. Its a decorative position of a society pretending to be ruled by law. But in the end its not. So why pay them as good as they do in the west. https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-be-a-lawyer-in-Chin...

Who are you quoting here when you link to that Quora question, and what does pay have to do with anything?

I'm as lost as you. How did we land on a quora question about Lawyers salaries in China in a discussion about following laws. Go figure.

Re: Midjourney CEO Silencing Satire About Xi Jinping

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Post by joenot443 »

alkonaut wrote: post #259
mindcandy wrote: post #74

Everyone is crying Corporate Greed in here. And, I can understand why. But, here’s another perspective based on listening to David Holz answer all kinds of questions from random users for four hours a week for over a year during Midjourney’s “Office Hours”. AFAICT, Midjourney has no shareholders and David Holz is the farthest thing from a slick CEO. He’s a big dreamer hippie dork. He made all the money he cares to ha…

> teams tries to stay out of it. There is no "staying out of" politics or just "remaining neutral" on topics (edit: the context here is "when doing business with the one of the belligerents of a conflict, an oppressive regime and so on. Not universally). Not taking a stand for one side in a two sided topic means taking the other side. Either you are pro gay rights or against it. Or you are pro democracy or against it…

"If you're not with us, you're against us" is a pretty reductive, American-centric way of approaching politics. There are plenty of topics which I'm happy to not hold a strong opinion on and I'll probably spend my entire life that way. Folks who feel strongly about _any_ issue will always tell moderates they're just shills for the other side, which is part of what makes the argument so tiresome.
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