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Finland Becomes a Member of NATO on Tuesday 4 April
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Re: Finland Becomes a Member of NATO on Tuesday 4 April
#12"I must invade a neighboring country to prevent having NATO on my doorstep" - Vladimir Vladimirovich, master strategist "Whoa, if countries are annexed willy nilly then we better join NATO before it happens to us" - Every single one of those doorsteps
The stupid thing is that NATO already have a land border with Russia before even 2007: Estonia and Latvia. Both of which were concerned about being invaded by Russia because they have terrible memories of the last time. (Ignoring Kaliningrad, which has a border with Lithuania and Poland but is not militarily defensible, and the awkward satellite state of Belarus)
Yup. And Norway. And Poland + Lithuania if we count Kaliningrad. The NATO land border just grew by about twice. I don't think this expansion affects any military balance as much as Russia tries to claim though.
Re: Finland Becomes a Member of NATO on Tuesday 4 April
#13"I must invade a neighboring country to prevent having NATO on my doorstep" - Vladimir Vladimirovich, master strategist "Whoa, if countries are annexed willy nilly then we better join NATO before it happens to us" - Every single one of those doorsteps
The stupid thing is that NATO already have a land border with Russia before even 2007: Estonia and Latvia. Both of which were concerned about being invaded by Russia because they have terrible memories of the last time. (Ignoring Kaliningrad, which has a border with Lithuania and Poland but is not militarily defensible, and the awkward satellite state of Belarus)
Maybe a bit pedantic, but Norway (founding member of NATO) shares a border with Russia, although the invasion concern is less pressing.
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#14Torilla tavataan!
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Sweden would very much like to join NATO, it's Kurdish bees in Erdogan's bonnet and a pro-Russian Hungarian dictator lite that are holding them up.
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#16This is an excellent deal for Finland, whose sovereignty is protected. Is it the same for the US? Do I want an attack against Finland to be considered an attack against the US? An attack against the US can unleash the end of humanity. I find very risky to leave this at the whims of some out of touch Russian dictator.
Interestingly enough - the US is the only country to have invoked article 5 which is the principle that an attack on one member is considered an attack on all - in response to the 9/11 attacks.
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#17I'm very happy that Finland is part of the team now. Sweden can stay out of Nato for all I care unless they finally cooperate with Germany when it comes to the Nord Stream bombings instead of hiding their findings.
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#18This is an excellent deal for Finland, whose sovereignty is protected. Is it the same for the US? Do I want an attack against Finland to be considered an attack against the US? An attack against the US can unleash the end of humanity. I find very risky to leave this at the whims of some out of touch Russian dictator.
So the small countries exist and if they cannot rely on big countries for protection against nuclear states, then the only way forward for them is to have their own nuclear weapons. Do you like that world better? Does it lower or heighten the risk of unleashing the “end of humanity”?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden%E2%80%93NATO_relations
> Sweden applied to join the organisation on 18 May 2022. On 5 July 2022, NATO signed the accession protocol for Sweden to join the alliance...
Everyone but Hungary and Turkey have signed off. Turkey in particular is trying to extract concessions.