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Midjourney CEO Silencing Satire About Xi Jinping

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Post by tokai »

secondcoming wrote: post #148
mindcandy wrote: post #74

Everyone is crying Corporate Greed in here. And, I can understand why. But, here’s another perspective based on listening to David Holz answer all kinds of questions from random users for four hours a week for over a year during Midjourney’s “Office Hours”. AFAICT, Midjourney has no shareholders and David Holz is the farthest thing from a slick CEO. He’s a big dreamer hippie dork. He made all the money he cares to ha…

It really perplexes me that there isn't any Internet Outrage about fetishisation of young Japanese girls; cartoons or otherwise. As far as I can see it's the one area of DEI that gets a free pass. It's really creepy.

Not all anime girls are Japanese. Almost all the generated ones don't even have a nation of origin.

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Post by snehk »

qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #161
manuelmoreale wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by “there is no such thing as local law”? You mean in the context of China specifically or in general?

In the context of china. And its reflected in the sallaries. Its a decorative position of a society pretending to be ruled by law. But in the end its not. So why pay them as good as they do in the west. https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-be-a-lawyer-in-Chin...

Who are you quoting here when you link to that Quora question, and what does pay have to do with anything?

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Post by joemazerino »

darepublic wrote: post #177
taylorius wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I clicked on the link, thinking "Oh come on, it can't be THAT bad", and was presented with a literal endless gallery of slightly Manga-ish women with unfathomably huge boobs. Maybe, instead of turning the whole world into paperclips, the AI apocalypse will consist of the filling of every last speck of hard disk storage space with a trillion boringly similar synthetic jpegs of such charming ladies.

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This is worth a flagging. I'm not on this site to look at pedo nonsense. Try making a point without actually linking a source.

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Post by reset-password »

lewhoo wrote: post #127

Maybe I'm naive but I think it's a strong argument on why China won't catch up with the tech of LLM's and diffusion anytime soon. Half of their effort goes to censorship.

The US is doing the same exact thing but it's called 'alignment' and instead of 'censorship' we call it 'safety'.

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Post by pmoriarty »

mindcandy wrote: post #74

Everyone is crying Corporate Greed in here. And, I can understand why. But, here’s another perspective based on listening to David Holz answer all kinds of questions from random users for four hours a week for over a year during Midjourney’s “Office Hours”. AFAICT, Midjourney has no shareholders and David Holz is the farthest thing from a slick CEO. He’s a big dreamer hippie dork. He made all the money he cares to ha…

Currently, Midjourney lets users invite the Midjourney bot to their own private Discord server/channel, where no one else can see the images they generate using that bot.

There's no reason that Midjourney couldn't allow whatever content the user wants to be generated there, as other Midjourney users would not be able to see it.

But they insist on censoring Midjourney even in channels/servers inaccessible to the wider Midjourney audience. Why?

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Post by Shish2k »

cryptoz wrote: post #92
mindcandy wrote: post #74

Everyone is crying Corporate Greed in here. And, I can understand why. But, here’s another perspective based on listening to David Holz answer all kinds of questions from random users for four hours a week for over a year during Midjourney’s “Office Hours”. AFAICT, Midjourney has no shareholders and David Holz is the farthest thing from a slick CEO. He’s a big dreamer hippie dork. He made all the money he cares to ha…

Not so simple. No ridiculing Xi makes the platform less comfortable for people in other countries like the US. We expect freedom to ridicule and if that’s not available on a platform because the owner prefers to cater to a specific dictator, then we may be less likely to use it. I might still use it , I might not. But bowing to a dictator who says you can’t say Winnie the Pooh anymore seems like a one-sided, pro-dict…

> in other countries like the US. We expect freedom to ridicule

God forbid y’all see a nipple in a non-sexual context though :D

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Post by eynsham »

mindcandy wrote: post #74

Everyone is crying Corporate Greed in here. And, I can understand why. But, here’s another perspective based on listening to David Holz answer all kinds of questions from random users for four hours a week for over a year during Midjourney’s “Office Hours”. AFAICT, Midjourney has no shareholders and David Holz is the farthest thing from a slick CEO. He’s a big dreamer hippie dork. He made all the money he cares to ha…

Being uninformed enough to think that ridiculing politicians in China simpliciter is taboo is embarrassing. If he is this ignorant of China, he should let someone else decide, or read a book.

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Post by flappyeagle »

joemazerino wrote: post #213
darepublic wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is worth a flagging. I'm not on this site to look at pedo nonsense. Try making a point without actually linking a source.

It’s not pedo nonsense. Twitter doesn’t allow that. It’s just women. If women make you uncomfortable don’t click.

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Post by FpUser »

prepend wrote: post #178
skrebbel wrote: post #171

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What would you do? Remember, there’s really only two options: run a service in a country and abide by the law and norms of that country, or don’t run a service in that country (ie IP geoblock the entire place). I mean, sure, you can run a service that abides by the law but not the norms (eg Onlyfans is available in the US despite the US being a country founded by prudes), but it’s hard and you need your full focus to…

I could have a set of values I believe in and not run my service in countries that violate my values. Seems pretty simple. Not simple if you want to make money from a huge percentage of people in China. Also, it seems like the principle of giving into bullies isn’t just an immediate decision but a precedent for future decisions where the rule is to capitulate to authoritarian regime demands.

>"the rule is to capitulate to authoritarian regime demands"

Western countries impose a crapload not so freedom loving laws / rulse / behavior / etc as well. Do you propose shutting down business in the West as well? Or you have a rule that says kill no more people than X or do not kill people in country Y and you're ethical?

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Post by numpad0 »

swader999 wrote: post #198
numpad0 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve heard generative porns don’t seem to be as popular in Japanese male/boys market(for-women categories). Nor cats, strangely, considering the Internet is supposed to be obsessed with cute cats doing cute things.

The internet was invented for cats and pictures of them. I don't understand why everyone doesn't know this.

My point is, if same applied for AI, there should be cargo ships worth of generated cats - but no, all generative image AI is used for is to generate young (anime) Japanese girls, and absolutely nothing else. Which is okay for me, but curious.
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