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Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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post #9

I commented somewhere a few weeks back[0] that we should probably be making it easier for Russians who are vulnerable (those who left during the mobilisation push, are vocally critical of Putin, or who simply want to not be part of it) and want to defect. There's not a great deal we can do to make it easier on their end - presumably there are some controls on the Russian side on the way out - but if someone does make…

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Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

#22
> Russia confiscates passports of senior officials

... which passport? Russians have two passports, one is for the internal matters and other one for traveling abroad.

Add: lol downwotes. Sure, guys, you are always concentrated and read the article, filled with the fillers and stating what the water is wet to the brim, because, you know, someone may wake up from 20 years coma and suddenly need to read this article.

And to those who missed that part, like me:

> Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian central bank official, said passport restrictions had now expanded beyond individuals with security clearance.

> “Now they are coming to certain people and saying, ‘please hand in your red civilian passports, because you have access to sensitive information for the motherland, so we want to control your movements’,” she said.

Which to me sounds like bullshit.

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

#23

> Russia confiscates passports of senior officials ... which passport? Russians have two passports, one is for the internal matters and other one for traveling abroad. Add: lol downwotes. Sure, guys, you are always concentrated and read the article, filled with the fillers and stating what the water is wet to the brim, because, you know, someone may wake up from 20 years coma and suddenly need to read this article. A…

The answer is in the article.

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

#24

> Russia confiscates passports of senior officials ... which passport? Russians have two passports, one is for the internal matters and other one for traveling abroad. Add: lol downwotes. Sure, guys, you are always concentrated and read the article, filled with the fillers and stating what the water is wet to the brim, because, you know, someone may wake up from 20 years coma and suddenly need to read this article. A…

The passports that the general (foreign) audience knows - the external/international one.

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

#25
post #8

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1) I can totally believe it could happen 2) Every intelligence agency is trained to put out disinformation, to their own publics no less, and what’s worse they actually foment the revolutions and destabilize countries which leads to these very wars that create so much havoc UK spy agencies are behind the astrotufed revolution in Iran, for instance, which took out their democratically elected government. CIA helped ar…

Ironically you also listed most the reasons I'm not a libertarian. As more things move from the public sphere to the private one, there's less transparency, not even a hope of public control (such as providing a moral direction via elections), and no obligation of improving anything. Structures like KGB and CIA will still exist, they'll just be completely outside the law, multiply in numbers and intensify the violent acts, because no public controls will be in place.

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but if someone does make it to the UK ... we should help them do so. Didn't brexit happen exactly to fight that ?

Only the less wealthy Russians. Wealthy Russians are generally welcomed, especially if they can make some suitable donations to politicians.

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Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

#27
post #9

I commented somewhere a few weeks back[0] that we should probably be making it easier for Russians who are vulnerable (those who left during the mobilisation push, are vocally critical of Putin, or who simply want to not be part of it) and want to defect. There's not a great deal we can do to make it easier on their end - presumably there are some controls on the Russian side on the way out - but if someone does make…

How was this handled for Nazi Germany defectors?

Re: Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop defections

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> Russia confiscates passports of senior officials ... which passport? Russians have two passports, one is for the internal matters and other one for traveling abroad. Add: lol downwotes. Sure, guys, you are always concentrated and read the article, filled with the fillers and stating what the water is wet to the brim, because, you know, someone may wake up from 20 years coma and suddenly need to read this article. A…

The answer is in the article.

> “Now they are coming to certain people and saying, ‘please hand in your red civilian passports, because you have access to sensitive information for the motherland, so we want to control your movements’,” she said.

It's amusing what you bothered to reply.

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