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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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> This is quite important. I'd go a step beyond and claim that e-bike sharing services like Lime are extremely detrimental to an urban space while adding nothing to mobility and sustainability. They are mainly gimmicks used to litter urban spaces whose only purpose is to serve as a kind of coin-operated joyrides. These operators come in and dump truckloads of things onto the public space, scatter them around, and pre…

Here in Romania, THE CARS litter the urban spaces. There are cars parked everywhere: on the sidewalks, on the side of the road in parallel with those on the sidewalks, in bus stops, on all the green spaces, on no-access markings of the roads, etc. I wish people would use more e-scooters & e-bikes. 8-10 rental e-scooters fit in the same sidewalk space a car would occupy and a car can't be moved if the owner isn't ther…

> Here in Romania, THE CARS litter the urban spaces.

Cars are indeed a cancer on all urban spaces, and one which has been granted too much privileges for decades.

The Netherlands' Jokinen Plan[1] is widely used as the epitome of idiocy that we get by designing cities around cars.

But the fact is that services provided by multinationals like Lime do nothing to address this issue. People do not drop their cars for ebikes just because a multinational dropped one on the sidewalk.

Also, it's a red herring to portray services provided by multinationals like Lime as synonyms for replacing cars with alternatives. They do nothing of the sort, and it misrepresents the problem. Companies like Lime scatter crap around cities with impunity and expect the public to just suck it up. Any small business owner who did a fraction of the abusive practices of occupying the public space would be fined into bankruptcy.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokinen_Plan

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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> Malmo, Sweden; where I live, has excellent cycling infrastructure and the scooter "problem" is really miniscule. It could be that what can turn e-scooters from an amenity to a menace is tourism. Malmö would hardly be on the map as an international touristic destination. This means that e-scooter users are mostly locals. Which in turns means (a) that e-scooters would typically be a complementary mean of personal mob…

Whenever I visit Paris as a tourist, I have another impression. Each time I stop, as a pedestrian, to wait for a traffic light to turn green, grumbling Parisians walk around me and cross the street with complete disregard for the red light. (I'm not sure I've ever even seen a Parisian pedestrian waiting for a traffic light. They might wait for traffic to clear a bit, but not until there's a green light.) So to me, it…

> So to me, it looks like the locals have zero respect for traffic rules. Therefore I'm not surprised that new modes of transport come with a lot of problems.

I imagine they know their city quite well, and suspect many of those traffic lights hinder rather than help pedestrians. Tourists on scooters, on the other hand, don't know the city as well as them, won't know its unwritten rules, and are quite likely to mess up traffic (like you did while waiting for a light to turn green).

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #362

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> Malmo, Sweden; where I live, has excellent cycling infrastructure and the scooter "problem" is really miniscule. It could be that what can turn e-scooters from an amenity to a menace is tourism. Malmö would hardly be on the map as an international touristic destination. This means that e-scooter users are mostly locals. Which in turns means (a) that e-scooters would typically be a complementary mean of personal mob…

Whenever I visit Paris as a tourist, I have another impression. Each time I stop, as a pedestrian, to wait for a traffic light to turn green, grumbling Parisians walk around me and cross the street with complete disregard for the red light. (I'm not sure I've ever even seen a Parisian pedestrian waiting for a traffic light. They might wait for traffic to clear a bit, but not until there's a green light.) So to me, it…

I'm not sure what this has to do with e-scooters in Paris though.

Disregarding red pedestrian traffic lights is the norm in France, they are seen as indicative: green means you can pass regardless of traffic as you have absolute priority, red means you must pay attention to cars but you are still allowed to cross and the law supports that. "Jaywalking" doesn't exist in France and pedestrians can basically cross wherever and whenever they want (it's a bit more complicated than that, but not by much).

Cars do have priority when traffic lights are red for pedestrians but they would still be held responsible for any accident.

Thus, it seems to me that your impression stems from ignorance of French traffic law and norms, as the parent said. Visiting a foreign country and thinking all rules are the same as they are at home is always a recipe for disappointment.

Like, now that I live in Belgium I know that red for cars means that one or two cars will probably still go through the intersection and I shouldn't cross (as a pedestrian or a driver) without paying attention. That's not the case in France and I could think that Belgians (or at least the Flemish, don't know about the rest) "have a total disregard for traffic rules" but that's not true, it's just one difference that you have to be aware of.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Here in Tel Aviv, they'll never get rid of them for at least one reason: they're the only form of at-least-semi-public transportation available on the weekend (Shabbat) and Jewish holidays, when the law forbids buses and trains from running. Meet a date at 10 PM on Friday night? Scoot. Catch the Saturday 5 AM tour bus to a day-hike that's meeting on the other side of town? Scoot. They've also helped boost demand for…

While in Tel-Aviv, watch out for e-scooters, they are very fast, aggressive and dangerous. One bumped strongly into me while I crossed the street at green light, didn't even apologize and sped away.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #272

Parisian here, for context I've been cycling to work for about 10 years now (before Paris transformed into a cycle-friendly city). There are a lot of speculations and hypothesis from people who don't live in Paris and try to apply their experience in a different city to Paris, so allow me to offer the experience (obviously I'm biased) of someone living there. The first big misconception is that this ban is only due t…

As a tourist in Paris I found scooters really convenient to get around the city. But I also hated them for their aesthetics as they would be littered everywhere and knocked over.

I definitely saw so many dangerous driving behaviours. I think tourists using scooters aren't treating these like useful day to day transport vehicles but as a way to have fun. For a lot of people it's their first time on a scooter. I saw people zooming through red lights into oncoming traffic. Others tried to jump the curb. It's kind of like giving a kid a toy for the first time.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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I loath the rentals. But love the personally owned. I think if you own it, you take care of it. You want to be trusted with it. And you don't leave it in the river.

Absolutely. Unbelievable, that the property of other's doesn't count for a lot of people, so it's handled without care. If you own it, you take care of it.

So, one step to mitigate the voters results could be renting the scooters for long time with monthly fees. But then, you don't need the apps anymore. So,the whole idea is dead for Paris.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #114

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The real problem with scooters is cuties unwilling to provide them with proper infrastructure. Bike lanes in most cities (out of the better European cycling cities), tend to be narrow and about 1/4 - 1/3 the size of a car lane. If a city were to dedicate a single car lane sized lane for “micromobility” and responded quickly to damage to this lane (which wouldn’t be as frequent for the obvious reason that damage is pr…

You can't add a lane for every "new" mode of transportation...

We can always reduce the amount of lanes for cars, even from 1 to 0 in very old european cities. Cars were once a novelty too, and all street lanes were engulfed by motorised modes of transportation.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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I hope this becomes EU-wide. Every season it seems like there's a new generation that discovers and abuses them to no end, endangering everybody around.

I like that they exist, but I think there are way too many companies competing. I would rather see the EU: 1. require that they cooperate on one app to use to rent them, and require that all scooters in any EU city work with that app 2. require the use of helmets 3. require designated parking areas (this could maybe be a city by city choice I guess) I fully expect that if such rules were enforced, many of the compani…

I think those ideas are great for increasing usage, safety and public orderly. Although I would disagree that this should be something dealt at the EU level. It would definitely be great for all EU cities to work within the same framework and allow me to use a single app between cities, but I do not think EU should be meddling with such regulations. In my opinion, this should be left for each country (even each city/municipality) to decide. Citizens of countries and even the cities themselves - as most cities do not have e-scooters - should be able to have a say on how to run their respective territories without the EU imposing regulations left and right.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #210

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Well, it IS forbidden, no? Just not banned by the government.

It’s forbidden to carry the car keys, let alone drive the car. But Jewish people do seem to be good at creating loopholes — it’s forbidden to press the button for the elevator, so the elevator stops at every floor so you don’t need to. It’s forbidden to turn on the oven, so the timer will turn it on for you. It’s forbidden to push you child in a buggy, so there’s a wire out up around the neighbourhood to make it not…

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/91594/theres-wire-above-...

There's a wire around Manhattan. And it costs 100k a year to maintain it.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #272

Parisian here, for context I've been cycling to work for about 10 years now (before Paris transformed into a cycle-friendly city). There are a lot of speculations and hypothesis from people who don't live in Paris and try to apply their experience in a different city to Paris, so allow me to offer the experience (obviously I'm biased) of someone living there. The first big misconception is that this ban is only due t…

If you look at accident statistics, they are indeed dangerous. My friend broke his arm while riding one, and he's far from a careless rider, so I found some statistics, which made me realize that maybe we shouldn't let people ride these around town willy-nilly:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casua...

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