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Saying Goodbye to GitHub

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Re: Saying Goodbye to GitHub

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Post by pritambaral »

cowl wrote: post #163
FeepingCreature wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe they just disagree with you?

Who? See: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3442188.3445922 A 2021 research paper warning (among other things) precisly about this confusion. > The ersatz fluency and coherence of LMs raises several risks, precisely because humans are prepared to interpret strings belonging to languages they speak as meaningful and corresponding to the communicative intent of some individual or group of individuals who have accounta…

> Is there any Researcher who maintains that LLM models contain Reasoning and intent?

Researchers with jobs that depend on promulgating this belief. E.g., "Open"AI employees.

Re: Saying Goodbye to GitHub

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Post by toastal »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #88
fariszr wrote: post #33

> The code that was regurgitated by the model is marketed as "AI generated" and available for use for any project you want. Including proprietary ones. It's laundering open-source code. All of the decades of knowledge and uncountable hours of work is being, well, stolen. There is nothing being given back. Leaving GitHub wont change that, OpenAI is training its models on every bit of code they can have, sourcehut, cod…

I like sourcehut, I'm just not a fan of email oriented collaboration workflow, so I dont use it. And the rest of the world isn't either, if the success of github is anything to go by. I get that Drew likes it, the greybeards are used to it, it works, it's adequate, and it keeps things simple, but I just never could do it. I don't like git either tbh, I grumble while I use it. IMO the perfect collaboration suite would…

I believe the goal is to build a minimal UI for those that don't prefer which is fine, but email & pull requests aren't the only model here. Look how much tooling is created to try to fit stack-based diffs atop Git+GitHub instead of using a different platform.

Re: Saying Goodbye to GitHub

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Post by tm-guimaraes »

uuuguaii wrote: post #107
bruce511 wrote: post #11

I'm gonna get hated on for this, but I don't think "give back" is an open source concept. I'm not aware of any Open Source license,or Free license for that matter,that has a give-back clause. Source code is available to -users- ,not prior-authors. Some Open Source licenses can be used in proprietary code, (MIT, BSD etc) with little more than simple attribution. Those developers chose that license for a reason, and I'…

> I'm not aware of any Open Source license,or Free license for that matter,that has a give-back clause. Source code is available to -users- ,not prior-authors. In essence, copyleft licenses are exactly that. They oblige the author of a derived work to publish the changes to all users under the same terms. The original authors tend to be users. So, a license which would grant this directly to the original authors woul…

> That's the spirit here

not really.

All this Free Software movement started by something really similar to "right to repair", a firmware bug in a printer that was proprietary software. Free Software is about being in control of software you use. The spirit was never "contribute back to GNU", the spirit was always "if you take GNU software, you can't make it non-free". Those GNU devs at the time just wanted a good and actually free/libre OS, that would remain free no matter who distributed it.

You are using expectations of modern day devs in the world of a lot of social development thanks to Github.

You might claim that GP was using the technicalities of the licences, but you can actually check the whole FSF philosophy an you note that they align perfectly with "giving forward" not "giving back".

Free Software is about user's freedom. Not dev rights, or politeness, etc. Now obviously, some devs picked up copyleft licenses with the purpose of improving their own software from downstream changes (Linus states that is the reason he picked GPL), but that's a nice side effect, not the purpose. Which ofc, with popular social sharing platforms like github, those things gets confused.

Re: Saying Goodbye to GitHub

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Post by ChatGTP »

infinitedata wrote: post #84

People is so melodramatic. Yes this is the future, yes AI is scary, but this is it. Whether you like it or not, technology and life can continue without you. We could very well be living in what Intelligence from another era lead to and it is happening all over again. Life is short, enjoy the ride.

"We could very well be living in what Intelligence from another era lead to and it is happening all over again."

Very unclear statement...

Re: Saying Goodbye to GitHub

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Post by _cenw »

slg wrote: post #148
marcus_holmes wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're suggesting that developers shut up and let the artists talk first? I'm not sure what the "you're suffering less than these other people" thing is actually intended to translate into? What do we do with that? All software licences are based on copyright, same as writing, art, music, etc. Some software licences are permissive. Some writing is permissive (e.g. Cory Doctorow). Some music is permissive (e.g. Ama…

> So you're suggesting that developers shut up and let the artists talk first? I'm not sure what the "you're suffering less than these other people" thing is actually intended to translate into? What do we do with that? The tech community has a tendency to not care about issues like this until it effects us. I’m not telling people to shut up about this. I’m saying don’t be a hypocrite. If this is the wrong approach f…

This is a pattern of argument I see all the time in minority communities, and it really irks me the wrong way.

You are allowed to care about the things you care about and not have a concrete well-informed opinion on something related that might be more pressing. It only becomes hypocricy as soon as you actively dismiss the other thing as if you were well-informed. And I don't see anyone here doing that.

Re: Saying Goodbye to GitHub

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Post by ChatGTP »

jimnotgym wrote: post #36
bdcravens wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is a college freshman, and that seems pretty par for the course for someone in their late teens. It's not really an "article" targeted for HN critical review, just a blog post on a personal site.

This is what I noticed too. We have a kid with no experience in the real world telling us what they think. Why should we care? I actually don't

Nice display of arrogance there.

Re: Saying Goodbye to GitHub

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Post by ChatGTP »

SanderNL wrote: post #62
swyx wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"stochastic parrot" is an interesting shibboleth for a certain school of thought on the capabilities of LLMs, but i think it is uncharitable to make the leap straight to "has no clue of how neural networks work". on some level, all of us who spend our free time enough to know what "stochastic parrot" refers to have some idea how NNs work, and on another, none of us know how NNs really work. we could all do with a bit…

That's fair, but it is a negative take that disregards all emergent properties. If you strip all emergent properties from it, there is nothing left. The same thing is true of all biological systems. Why bother being "human". We are all just a bunch of cells exchanging chemicals and electrical signals. That's all there is to it. There is no reasoning, just a bunch of signals going back and forth.

How honestly can you say that "emergent properties" are real if you haven't really seen the training data or you don't actually know how the thing works?.

It stand's to reason that the bigger the model, the more likely you'll get an answer to a question you're looking for. Even the apparently "tricky questions".

Even things like translating code from one coding language to another...

Anyway, maybe we are ALL stochastic parrots (including ChatGPT-10) and that's all we'll ever be...bravo.

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