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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by watwut »

gregoriol wrote: post #277
capableweb wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly are the downsides of owning a bike that you don't have owning a e-scooter?

You can't take a bike easily into: a car, the subway, your flat, a shop, ... It could also be the same reasoning as a car regarding the space: a bike for 1 person takes more space than an e-scooter for 1 person. The real problem is not the device: it's the users. People using bikes also do stupid things, but not that often. Bikes can be very fast too, with electric assist they can go faster than cars in the city, but…

I dont think these apply to share e-scooters as much. The ban is about shared e-scooter.

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Post by vetinari »

soco wrote: post #253
vetinari wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the comment you are responding too notes, that city streets are not stretchable, so you cannot add full-sized lanes for everyone's new toy.

There's an answer to this, an answer which I see implemented in some places: cutting into the car lanes. Because you don't have to drive through the historical center.

In the cities, where nobody really lives in the historical center, it is doable. (We are not talking about driving through; we are talking about access/servicing; there are very few cities without a ring -- or several rings -- where driving through center is the fastest way from one end to another).

In the cities, where real people live there, it is not. Every part of the city needs servicing, including center. Your plumber won't lug his tools on a scooter; your furniture won't teleport itself into your house either. Every now and then, the residents themselves need to bring in or out their heavier or larger crap, so issuing permits to entry to well-connected companies is not a solution.

Yes, I do live in city center; and yes, we also have people who know nothing about living there, but they go to pub there every Saturday night, so they have strong ideas how it should be. It is not limiting them, after all.

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Post by greggsy »

ostenning wrote: post #260

Great, lets now move to ban them from other EU capitals. Its an issue in Berlin, so many youths ride these scooters recklessly on footpaths, hurting pedestrians or worse.

I think private ones are still relevant, as they’re less likely to recklessly endanger their investment.

In Australia at least, the police can and do fine people using them where they shouldn’t, and at speeds that they shouldn’t [1].

[1]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-23/man-caught-riding-e-s...

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

European cities are clamping down on shared scooters quite a bit, but in different ways. Vienna for instance is now asking for a lot more geo fencing, if there is a specific drop-off location within 100 meters a ride cannot be ended unless it's parked on such a drop-off location. Companies are also forced to report scooter locations in real-time to the city government for monitoring and enforce speed restrictions based on map data.

I'm super curious if this will end the availability of the scooters as the cost of this is probably quite a bit higher now.

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Post by belorn »

apichat wrote: post #171

With 7.45% turnout, it's more of an elderly's bad joke. Elderly and wealthy people who have been brainwashed by television and want to continue using their murderous and polluting cars and taxis. Other people are more concerns by ecological problems and the rise in the pension age.

There is a growing ecological problem with e-scooters ending up under water, especially in city rivers. If the ride sharing companies was liable for this and had to pay commercial divers to pick them up, the result would be identical to a ban of rental e-scooters.

We used to have a similar problem with people dumping cars, but those are now very traceable and owners will get heavily fined if they leave a car in the water.

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Post by snakeboy »

bluescrn wrote: post #288
ostenning wrote: post #260

Great, lets now move to ban them from other EU capitals. Its an issue in Berlin, so many youths ride these scooters recklessly on footpaths, hurting pedestrians or worse.

'E-scooters have safety risks, let's encourage people back into 2-ton fossil-fuel-burning cars instead!' If we want a future of EVs, we need to figure out how to include personal light EVs, not just very expensive full-size-car replacements for the wealthy.

In Paris and Berlin the alternatives are probably bikes, metro, or walking...

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Post by Neil44 »

Even around the small towns here I've had more than a few instances of black-wearing people flying between cars at night on these things. Your only defense is to have a dash cam to defend yourself when the inevitable happens I guess.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by seb1204 »

xuhu wrote: post #275

103,000 people voted out of 1.38M registered voters.

Democracy sucks if no one is exercising their democratic minimum duty; to vote. This will lead to smaller groups being able to mobilise easier for their agenda. Also happens one level up in Germany or Australia - lack of volunteers for judiciary committee or duties opens the door for right wing or other nutters that are organised and push into these openings.
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