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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by concordDance »

trog wrote: post #71
FpUser wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So prohibit bikes then? I think government is more concerned about scooters competing with paid for transportation and hence reduction of revenue

> So prohibit bikes then? I think government is more concerned about scooters competing with paid for transportation and hence reduction of revenue If you read the article you'll see this is based on a decision by the city's residents, 90% of whom voted against keeping them around. The article seems to refer to two main things: "reckless and drunken driving, as well as clutter on pavements". In my Australian city (I…

> If you read the article you'll see this is based on a decision by the city's residents, 90% of whom voted against keeping them around

This is a lie. I don't even need to go look anything up to call 90% turnout a lie.

Actual number was probably 7%.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by Kuinox »

MengerSponge wrote: post #167
lmm wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard there are some crazy people who try to drive vehicles weighing a tonne or more in the city at as much as 40mph, and they often find their way onto the pavements too. Perhaps Paris will treat that menace with the priority it deserves.

I know you're being sarcastic, but yes, Paris is absolutely treating that menace with the priority it deserves. They've removed parking and turned a lot of streets into pedestrian/bicycle only (with gates or bollards for emergency vehicle access). Most streets are limited to 30kph (18mph). Converted entire lanes of some streets to bike lanes. https://www.childinthecity.org/2021/09/01/streets-to-schools...

Still not enough, on french r/fuckcars:

https://old.reddit.com/r/EnculerLesVoitures/comments/11chtfh...

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by telmo »

apichat wrote: post #171

With 7.45% turnout, it's more of an elderly's bad joke. Elderly and wealthy people who have been brainwashed by television and want to continue using their murderous and polluting cars and taxis. Other people are more concerns by ecological problems and the rise in the pension age.

I live in Berlin and my main mode of transportation is the bike, since before e-scooters were a thing. Bikes are very popular here and I do not actually know a lot of people who live in the city and own a car.

E-scooter made life objectively harder for cyclists. They are abandoned in the middle of bike lanes and create danger, or in the spots were you could park your bike safely. They make every walking street worse, you are always bumping against them. And they seem to be mostly used by a young, well-off, highly entitled / inconsiderate demographic.

They do nothing to improve life in the city. They are a toy that makes life worse for almost everyone. I can't wait for them to be banned here also.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by aflag »

pharmakom wrote: post #193
solatic wrote: post #132

Here in Tel Aviv, they'll never get rid of them for at least one reason: they're the only form of at-least-semi-public transportation available on the weekend (Shabbat) and Jewish holidays, when the law forbids buses and trains from running. Meet a date at 10 PM on Friday night? Scoot. Catch the Saturday 5 AM tour bus to a day-hike that's meeting on the other side of town? Scoot. They've also helped boost demand for…

Wait, so on weekends you can drive a car around but you cannot get the bus or a train? if so that's crazy.

The public transport is operated by the government. They consider no one should work on Saturdays so they don't run their services then. I think if using your private car was forbidden it would've been even crazier.

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Post by anhner »

TylerE wrote: post #176
apichat wrote: post #171

With 7.45% turnout, it's more of an elderly's bad joke. Elderly and wealthy people who have been brainwashed by television and want to continue using their murderous and polluting cars and taxis. Other people are more concerns by ecological problems and the rise in the pension age.

Rental escooters are a MENACE - and i'm not old either - just been nearly mown down by one several times.

I agree, I don't know where other people live or if they go out at all in a major city, but scooters ride dangerously fast on sidewalks, in parks, even on the road alongside cars.

I completely understand it's due to the lack of alternative riding infrastructure (ideally they would ride on bicycle lanes, but not everywhere is like The Netherlands), but you wouldn't ride a bike on a sidewalk, and riding on the road is very dangerous on these scooters.

So yeah they're either a menace to pedestriands because they don't drive safely on pedestrian areas, or they're a menace to cars because they're very unstable on the roads and put themselves in danger, least of all because most people who ride them don't really know road legislation.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by ChrisRR »

TylerE wrote: post #176
apichat wrote: post #171

With 7.45% turnout, it's more of an elderly's bad joke. Elderly and wealthy people who have been brainwashed by television and want to continue using their murderous and polluting cars and taxis. Other people are more concerns by ecological problems and the rise in the pension age.

Rental escooters are a MENACE - and i'm not old either - just been nearly mown down by one several times.

I hear so often from people who were "nearly" mown down, but barely ever from someone who was actually mown down

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by concordDance »

FeistySkink wrote: post #3

I hope this becomes EU-wide. Every season it seems like there's a new generation that discovers and abuses them to no end, endangering everybody around.

We were not meant to go more than 3 mph and live in tiny 300 person communities. The sooner we ban ALL these dangerous non-walking forms of transportation (and stop the insanity that is mobility scooters being able to go over 5mph!) the better.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by vetinari »

apichat wrote: post #181
TylerE wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rental escooters are a MENACE - and i'm not old either - just been nearly mown down by one several times.

In Paris each years 90 persons are not "nearly mown down" by rental escooters but killed by cars, taxis and motorcycle. Plus thousands of people killed by toxic gases from cars, taxis and motorbikes.

> Plus thousands of people killed by toxic gases from cars, taxis and motorbikes.

Please substantiate this claim. Thank you.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by hoseja »

aflag wrote: post #204
pharmakom wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so on weekends you can drive a car around but you cannot get the bus or a train? if so that's crazy.

The public transport is operated by the government. They consider no one should work on Saturdays so they don't run their services then. I think if using your private car was forbidden it would've been even crazier.

Well, it IS forbidden, no? Just not banned by the government.
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