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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

mlok wrote: post #42
sharperguy wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who regularly uses them I would be very sad if they were banned. It is a very convienient mode of transport and can often cut journey times in half for me compared to public transport. I also ride a bike but I don't always have it with me, or want to lock up my bike somewhere overnight and risk having it stolen. I think it would be unfair to punish responsable users because of a few bad apples. Half of the…

Paris has a pretty good shared bike service, there is no need for a personal bike.

Paris used to have a pretty good shared bike service until the current mayor decided to change operator. Now it’s terrible.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by lmm »

shtopointo wrote: post #2

Excellent vote from the people of Paris! It's too easy to take these things on the sidewalk, go 20mph and disregard the people around you. Those things also weight quite a bit, so getting hit with that may be life altering.

I've heard there are some crazy people who try to drive vehicles weighing a tonne or more in the city at as much as 40mph, and they often find their way onto the pavements too. Perhaps Paris will treat that menace with the priority it deserves.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by janosdebugs »

fsh wrote: post #20
shtopointo wrote: post #2

Excellent vote from the people of Paris! It's too easy to take these things on the sidewalk, go 20mph and disregard the people around you. Those things also weight quite a bit, so getting hit with that may be life altering.

They are electronically limited to 20 km/h in Paris and weigh no more than a bicycle.

Except bikes have a much larger turn radius and are much more bulky than a scooter. You can zip between people with a scooter no problem, but it is tricky to do with a bike. As someone who ditched a car for a bike, I had several almost-accidents with these things and it was always down to reckless driving and trying to pull stunts on these things.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by lmm »

publicmenace wrote: post #26
pcthrowaway wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think cars are a lot worse, if we just took those off the street there's be no problem with people scooting on the streets

So that's a whole other debate (and I disagree), but even if you're right, getting rid of cars would be a gradual, multi-decade project. It's just not possible to get around modern American cities without cars. You can't just abandon the city. These cities represent trillions of dollars of investment. Otoh, you could ban e-scooters tomorrow and after dramatically improving various urban areas, the biggest effect woul…

> Otoh, you could ban e-scooters tomorrow and after dramatically improving various urban areas, the biggest effect would be a few scooter companies going bankrupt.

There are probably already people who depend on them to get to work - and those people are probably far more marginalised and vulnerable than car drivers.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by eastbound »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #145

That's some great environmentalists you guys have in Europe. Between that and constant Metro strikes, guess I will just stick to gas-powered taxis.

Environnementalists use city bikes (Vélib’), not rare-earth-filled hight technological products with very short lifespan like scooters.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by goatlover »

shtopointo wrote: post #80
twelve40 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but... nobody seems to be talking about banning bicycles?

They are banned from sidewalks.

Yet I see people riding bikes on sidewalks, usually on busy roads without bike lanes. Doubt the police bother ticketing them anymore than they do people riding scooters on sidewalks or without helmets. At least where I’m from.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by eastbound »

arijun wrote: post #47

I would like to provide a contrasting viewpoint. I can’t speak to the situation in Paris, but in the city I live in, scooters are amazing. They reduce car usage which is better for both pedestrians and car users. They turn a 45 minute walk/30 minute bus ride/20 minute cab into a 10-15 minute trip, which opens up much more of the city (the city I live in was not built for the number of cars it has in it so getting any…

> but between an aggressive ticketing campaign

That’s how you solved it. Paris is entirely unable to perform such a campaign, because it would “target minorities unfairly” as they say, and Paris is at something like 10x fewer policemen per population compared to the average of US cities, which puts Paris in the category of “self-managed” much more than other cities of the same size.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by easytiger »

flak48 wrote: post #9

London meanwhile, continues to ban personally owned e-scooters - allowing only rental e-scooters!

Now ban them and their bike scheme counterparts in London. An absolute blight on the city.

Their USP is they can be left anywhere.

https://i.imgur.com/s59Bvf3.png

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by slavik81 »

londons_explore wrote: post #38

Rental scooters are often competing with walking. A 10 minute walk might perhaps be a 2 minute scoot. Great. But in my city, for every 1 scooter ride, you will see 100 pedestrians walk past. Ie. they have a sub-1% market share. And the scooters are idle >95% of the time. I suspect, the friction of needing an app is too high. The complex signup process needing a driving license is too complex. The pricing (multiple do…

I was surprised by how expensive the scooters are. They were about same as the price as a car2go rental car back when that was a thing.
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