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Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

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Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

#11

I won't be surprised if some of their folks go to jail. I work in the industry, have designed and tested many similar devices, and the credible accounts I've read of the things they did are criminal.

They won't unless someone who know specifics actually reports it.

Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

#12

I won't be surprised if some of their folks go to jail. I work in the industry, have designed and tested many similar devices, and the credible accounts I've read of the things they did are criminal.

They won't unless someone who know specifics actually reports it.

They have been...

https://www.pcrm.org/news/news-releases/ahead-elon-musks-sho...

Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

#13
post #6

Reversing the aging process looks to be much easier problem to solve than uploading the brain. I dont understand why Elon didnt put his money in that direction. Luckily some people are starting to understand how close we are at solving reversing aging (measured in decades).

Remember that he’s not actually that smart. Rob Beschizza has the best description of Musk:

“I love how childish and petty it is. There is no depth or human complexity to Musk whatsoever: he's just a rich kid who got lucky and now we marvel at his exertions day in, day out. The New York Times still casts Musk as a public intellectual, even now, because its editors live in a floating world of narrative imagination and are impervious to the facts of the matter. In return, he calls it ‘diarrhea.’ They completely deserve one another.”

https://boingboing.net/2023/04/02/petulant-musk-rants-about-...

Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

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post #6

Reversing the aging process looks to be much easier problem to solve than uploading the brain. I dont understand why Elon didnt put his money in that direction. Luckily some people are starting to understand how close we are at solving reversing aging (measured in decades).

I don't know why you assume he isn't investing in solving aging privately.

It's also a huge pet issue for all his wealthy SV friends (Thiel et al), so he may not feel he needs to add anything to it personally.

Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like what?

https://www.pcrm.org/news/news-releases/ahead-elon-musks-sho... This has some more details from the public info: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/future...

These are more like hit pieces by advocacy groups that are against all forms of animal testing.

The Vox article for example was written by the partner of someone who worked at PCRM - the advocacy group that filed the complaint.

The article is also packed with pictures of animal abuse that has absolutely nothing to do with Neuralink - which they do mentioned in the fine print.

These images of course are entirely misleading and have no place in the article other than trying to draw a false equivalence.

Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

#16

The example they gave of another company getting IDE Approval (Synchron) makes it seem possible, but I don't know how much of this is just general governmental inefficiencies and some level of systemic bias against Elon (stemming from big oil & auto). Or is the startup mentality of move fast and break things just not as applicable in this domain?

I’m having some trouble interpreting your comment, and I don’t know how much context you have for Neuralink, so I will share a small amount of context which you may already know.

The basic summary is this: Neuralink is Theranos, except with animal cruelty.

The improvements that Neuralink advertises aren’t there, scientists in the field don’t believe that they will materialize in the foreseeable future, and there are a ton of problems you need to solve first which you could probably solve by first working with organisms like worms or whatnot, instead of pigs and monkeys.

Adding a jet engine to your car won’t shave twenty minutes off your commute to the office, it will just kill you and spread your body across the pavement. Sticking one of those Neuralink interfaces in a monkey won’t give us insight into brain-computer interfaces, it will just make the monkey suffer and die.

Any advances that Neuralink is actually making could probably be made with less suffering.

Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

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post #6

Reversing the aging process looks to be much easier problem to solve than uploading the brain. I dont understand why Elon didnt put his money in that direction. Luckily some people are starting to understand how close we are at solving reversing aging (measured in decades).

Remember that he’s not actually that smart. Rob Beschizza has the best description of Musk: “I love how childish and petty it is. There is no depth or human complexity to Musk whatsoever: he's just a rich kid who got lucky and now we marvel at his exertions day in, day out. The New York Times still casts Musk as a public intellectual, even now, because its editors live in a floating world of narrative imagination and…

Well, that's alot of "luck" then. If only everyone could be as "lucky". I wonder how many CEOs have in-depth understanding of their products? My guess is it would be few.

Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

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post #6

Reversing the aging process looks to be much easier problem to solve than uploading the brain. I dont understand why Elon didnt put his money in that direction. Luckily some people are starting to understand how close we are at solving reversing aging (measured in decades).

It was a philosophical decision. Paraphrasing, he believes that if people live too long it will hinder political evolution.

Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

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post #6

Reversing the aging process looks to be much easier problem to solve than uploading the brain. I dont understand why Elon didnt put his money in that direction. Luckily some people are starting to understand how close we are at solving reversing aging (measured in decades).

> Reversing the aging process looks to be much easier problem to solve than uploading the brain. I dont understand why Elon didnt put his money in that direction.

Perhaps because it's much less prominent in science fiction.

Re: Neuralink’s FDA troubles are just the beginning

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post #6

Reversing the aging process looks to be much easier problem to solve than uploading the brain. I dont understand why Elon didnt put his money in that direction. Luckily some people are starting to understand how close we are at solving reversing aging (measured in decades).

It’s not about uploading the brain is it? I thought the goal is a computer brain interface to keep up with AI developments?
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