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The day Windows died

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Re: The day Windows died

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Ever seen a thinkpad?

Yes. I own two. A t410 and a t450. Definitely more durable but no resale value. I use them for experimental linux installs these days.

My high-end thinkpad X1 carbon died after 2 years... Not repairable, and they don't sell any motherboard that could allow me to repair it myself.

Also the CPU and RAM were soldered on it, which makes it even less repairable.

Re: The day Windows died

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Linux is only free if your time is worthless. ;)

Windows and macOS have both wasted plenty of my time over the years too!

They suck too of course. But they don't presume to be free, like Linux does.

There are much more time efficient operating systems than Linux, Windows or macOS.

Here's Lars Brinkhoff studying to become a 10x programmer:

https://twitter.com/larsbrinkhoff/status/1642569175657771009

Re: The day Windows died

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I built a gaming PC recently, so also new to Windows (normally Linux main). I was very surprised to see advertising in the operating system, for an operating system that people pay at least $190 CAD for. This issue is made worse by every hardware vendor needing to install their own bulky applications with their own popups. It's extremely noisy. My main take is that Microsoft has lost all pride in Windows and they're…

They really advertise to you inside the operating system? I've been a Linux user for 20 years so I don't know.

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Re: The day Windows died

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I wish more people could have the experience of using Mac and Win11 on a daily basis for real work. I've been developing on Mac/Win11/Linux for 8 years. Win11 vs Mac/Linux is night-vs-day. But you really can't get a sense of how awful windows is without spending serious work time on both Mac & Win. It's not an exaggeration. The simplest things, like remembering settings, switching displays, or setting up hardware, Wi…

Depends on the person because I use both and prefer Windows 10 over MacOS. The Windows 10 taskbar with "never combine taskbar buttons" is a lot more productive for me, especially when using multiple monitors. I tried some apps that emulate this on MacOS, but there were always issues. This is why I'm still on Windows 10 and not 11. I also prefer the Windows Explorer view, where the left side are folders and the right…

With respect, you're speaking to something thats kind of outside the point I was making. You are talking your preference which is pretty subjective.

Re: The day Windows died

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Is Windows Pro the same way, or this only Home?

Windows Pro editions are just as bad with the pre-installed crapware. And if you buy a PC from an OEM instead of doing a clean install on a machine you build, then that OEM will have added another layer of crapware. Even Windows 10 Pro these days will pre-populate the Start menu with tiles for Disney+, TikTok, etc.

Re: The day Windows died

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Having never lived in a Windows world I had no idea what life was like on the other side. So many times on HN I read about how MacOS is bad for the user, locked down, rubbish etc etc. But if this article is true then Windows 11 is absolutely insane. That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. Not poor documentation. Not first party apps. While those of us who use Apple’s OS fear for the worst, those in Windows ap…

Windows is weird, from a Linux or MacOS point of view. It is always broken, but also poorly written, so the user can just make a workflow happen by accumulating kludges. I think Microsoft might have hired too many people who were familiar with other operating systems, resulting in a Windows 11 that actually manages to implement their vision.

It's not poorly written or broken, at least it wasn't for most of it's history. Windows does an awful lot of stuff very well, something MacOS and Linux are not even close to, e.g. backwards compatibility. You can still run a Windows 95 app on 11 and it will run pretty much perfectly. There were some very smart people working for MS who helped design the NT architecture.

It's just the last few versions have really gone to shit. I saw a link to some comment on HN where someone on the Windows team was posting about how all the Apple users got hired and kept trying to make 11 like MacOS, and the seasoned Windows people were losing fights and just quitting. That explains a lot.

Re: The day Windows died

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Yes. I own two. A t410 and a t450. Definitely more durable but no resale value. I use them for experimental linux installs these days.

My high-end thinkpad X1 carbon died after 2 years... Not repairable, and they don't sell any motherboard that could allow me to repair it myself. Also the CPU and RAM were soldered on it, which makes it even less repairable.

The X1 is an ultrabook (or at least the continuation of ultrabooks) and not so repairable. The T series though sacrificed a little weight and thickness for more durability, expandability and servicability. The sacrifice was pretty small though - I thought it was worth it when choosing a work T490 over the X1 a few of years ago.

The bonus was that for the same budget as standard Macbook Pros at work, I got 32GB RAM and the top i7 plus a thunderbolt dock.

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I am sure I will get all kinds of hate for saying this: despite the extra up front cost, apple stuff is a better value. Lets take device lifetime: I have a 2013 MBP 15 and 2015 MBP 15. I use them for intensive things like music production. Both devices work flawlessly. I also a System 76 Oryx Pro which cost more than any mac I own. The webcam failed 5 months in, several keys don't work anymore, and it gets hotter tha…

> despite the extra up front cost, apple stuff is a better value What extra up front cost? The Macbook Air costs $799 at BestBuy. Do you mean to say a similar quality Windows machine costs less? Only Samsung makes computers that are comparable to the Macbook. This Samsung [2] arguably has a better screen but costs $1450. (There are cheaper Samsungs but they don't have 200% screen resolution.) [1] https://www.bestbuy.…

> Do you mean to say a similar quality Windows machine costs less?

These days, the extra cost is (mostly) for the quality. (Some of it is also for some of the capabilities, which a given user may not need all of, but the selection is very limited.)

So much of the time, when people are comparing a Mac to a PC on price and complaining that the Mac is overpriced, they're comparing it to a PC whose build quality is very obviously inferior. For them, that may not matter, because they're fully price-focused, or because they're only planning on having it for 2-3 years anyway, or because they just don't believe that build quality matters...but it's still a real thing, and it does make a difference for many people.

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I wish more people could have the experience of using Mac and Win11 on a daily basis for real work. I've been developing on Mac/Win11/Linux for 8 years. Win11 vs Mac/Linux is night-vs-day. But you really can't get a sense of how awful windows is without spending serious work time on both Mac & Win. It's not an exaggeration. The simplest things, like remembering settings, switching displays, or setting up hardware, Wi…

A contrary anecdote: I used mac for like 7 years, linux (and bsd) for around the same. Both full-commit, main system. And obviously windows, which was always somewhere in a background all this time. I settled on windows 10 and do not plan to move away from it. MSYS2 adds the linux part, because I don’t really care about kernel or fs, linux means gnu/coreutils to me. And if you like gaming, fresh or non-standard hardw…

> But at least “yes, it can do that”

That's a good point. Hardware failures are far more costly on a Mac that on a windows machine. I'm so far removed from that being an issue (because I'm old) that it is a privilege I forget I have. Duly noted.

Cygwin/MSYS/Mingw are really sad reflections of their source material. Not to take a big crap on the millions of man hours the developers have put into them, but they are not drop in replacements which is what I need. And in multiple cases over the years, they always fail to reproduce what is expected. These tools end up requiring their own special care in scripting, which is what I need them to avoid.

Re: The day Windows died

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Windows 11 start menu search is slowest shit i've ever seen I can't stand when I type app name (e.g paint or vs) and it appears but click needs like 5-10 sec to be registered what the hell It worked perfectly fine on Win10 on the same hardware (my OS has been updated recently either automatically or by company). I'd call Windows 11 pretty OK once you tweak one or two things in register settings, maybe the lack of rig…

As a life-long Windows user, the most frustrating part is how broken search is, and always has been, but… in new and unique ways in every version I’ve ever used! It’s astonishing: they’re clearly working on it, making material changes, but only ever sideways. I’ve never observed an improvement. To those people that say “version x has worked”: I doubt it. Maybe after a month it successfully indexed the 100KB of text i…

Don't worry, I expect Microsoft will replace their search with gpt in the future. "Hey Windows, find me that work presentation I worked on a while back".
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