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Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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It went up only 10$ per month in congested areas, and went down by 20$ in uncongested areas. It's still 90$ if you are rural.

They are trying to encourage against people using the service in urban congested areas. Starlink, at least right now, is not ideal for urban situations, that's not very surprising, maybe with newer gen sats capacity will raise, but if not, it's not an "unreliable luxury", it's still perfect for rural situations.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

#42

To paraphrase Sam Kinison...'It occured to me there woudnt be a rural broadband shortage if people would MOVE TO WHERE THE BROADBAND IS!!!'

Shoot, yeah, had not thought of that. Let me just load up my farm real quick and move it somewhere with better connectivity....

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Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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So Starlink has been so effective and so popular that — utterly unsurprisingly — it is becoming more congested and they're raising rates. This is good news and not bad. It's a strong sign that the model fundamentally works and they will be able to fund continuous improvements to meet strong demand.

Here in Japan, Starlink price is continuously down (now $50) because only richer techy people (of course they have fiber and live in metropolis) buy it and they don't use much. FTTH coverage is really comprehensive even in very rural area, so there are very few residential practical use case. It would be excellent for camping. It seems that it practically priced.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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So Starlink has been so effective and so popular that — utterly unsurprisingly — it is becoming more congested and they're raising rates. This is good news and not bad. It's a strong sign that the model fundamentally works and they will be able to fund continuous improvements to meet strong demand.

The sentiment has been (up until this point?) that Starlink needs to lower costs for the customers, not increase them, as otherwise the customer base will remain as tiny as it currently is. Last I remember, the cost was ~500 USD + the monthly fee, I wonder how many in a rural environment are ready to pony that up for a measly connection. Maybe not difficult for live-on-a-farm-software-developers, but what about the r…

Paying additional fees to setup infrastructure is something many in rural areas are familiar with. Rural doesn't always mean poor.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

#45

For those prices, traditional sat (geostationary) might not be as fast but it is at least reliable connectivity. For anyone in the rual flatlands of america, look seriously at rural wifi bridges. Basic off-the-shelf wifi can bridge links over miles. All those cellphone towers have fiber lines. Setup a rural wifi collective and tap into that fiber. My parents ditched traditional sats a few years ago when a local compa…

In my experience, geosat is reliable until it rains. Then your slow speeds drop down to nothing. TBF, I've not used starlink yet.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

#46

I have Starlink in an Airbnb in Puerto Escondido, Mexico. It has been a blessing. It used to be that we had to deal with either cell carrier 4G wifi or wait until the phone company would finally extend service one block away from its current service area. Even if you had access to either, both solutions were pretty bad. They were so unreliable that some coworking spaces had *three* providers: "broadband", 4G, and old…

if you read the article it doesn't just work for a lot of people, and is very slow. this is nothing that wasn't easily predictable, but you having a good experience where there's clearly a surplus of capacity doesn't mean this will last.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

#47

For those prices, traditional sat (geostationary) might not be as fast but it is at least reliable connectivity. For anyone in the rual flatlands of america, look seriously at rural wifi bridges. Basic off-the-shelf wifi can bridge links over miles. All those cellphone towers have fiber lines. Setup a rural wifi collective and tap into that fiber. My parents ditched traditional sats a few years ago when a local compa…

In my experience, geosat is reliable until it rains. Then your slow speeds drop down to nothing. TBF, I've not used starlink yet.

that's not true. satellite internet within the last 15 years has used adaptive modulation and coding, and rain doesn't have nearly the effect you're saying unless it's torrential and at an angle.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

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no offence, but this perspective doesn't apply worldwide. if you live in a country like Australia a StarLink connection will give you 10x the speed of many NBN (National Broadband Network) wired connections. 3G/4G/5G are metered by MB and not a viable option for a daily WAN link due to that. Unless you were lucky enough to get fibre pulled into your house before the government at the time kneecapped the NBN you'd hav…

So much this. I'm on Starlink in Sydney because Australia's NBN decided to stop their fibre rollout 600 meters from my house and decided that the only option they would provide me is old geostationary satellite. 4G reception is middling with pathetic data caps. I get 5G reception too but none of the providers will offer home broadband services, only mobile Wifi. On Starlink I get ~250mbps down at a price only margina…

this has been repeated countless times, but the only reason you are experiencing good service is because it's not at capacity. as soon as your area gets to capacity, just like it is all over the US, you too will face bad speeds and increasing prices. for some reason people thought starlink had some magical solution to capacity problems and that the high speeds would last forever.

it's just another ISP.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

#49

So Starlink has been so effective and so popular that — utterly unsurprisingly — it is becoming more congested and they're raising rates. This is good news and not bad. It's a strong sign that the model fundamentally works and they will be able to fund continuous improvements to meet strong demand.

no, it's not a strong sign of that. it's a strong sign that with VC money and government money you can offer unrealistic service at unrealistic prices. but when you need to start showing that you are profitable and launching satellites to maintain the current network is also expensive, both your service and prices start to get more in line with what everybody else already had.

The honeymoon phase of starlink is over. in the best case scenario with starship they can add capacity much cheaper. but even the business case for that is going to be hard to close given the amount of money they're already burning.

Re: Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliable luxury

#50

So Starlink has been so effective and so popular that — utterly unsurprisingly — it is becoming more congested and they're raising rates. This is good news and not bad. It's a strong sign that the model fundamentally works and they will be able to fund continuous improvements to meet strong demand.

Satellite internet essentially means that you have to share one cellphone tower with your entire district. I don't see how this can be sustainable for anything but the most rural areas.
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