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Re: The day Windows died

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Post by ChancyChance »

waboremo wrote: post #252
ChancyChance wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish more people could have the experience of using Mac and Win11 on a daily basis for real work. I've been developing on Mac/Win11/Linux for 8 years. Win11 vs Mac/Linux is night-vs-day. But you really can't get a sense of how awful windows is without spending serious work time on both Mac & Win. It's not an exaggeration. The simplest things, like remembering settings, switching displays, or setting up hardware, Wi…

There's also a substantial difference in quality when developing between Mac and Linux. Less than Windows, but it's still very noticeable and often most developers make this tradeoff not because of the OS, but what exists outside of that - higher quality hardware, better apple support, more GUI solutions, etc. It's quite unfortunate that I assume many developers within the Windows team can see what needs to be change…

I didn't rant further, but Linux really is the best universal dev platform. I mean this in terms of examples, support, and tendency for developers to create tools, toolchains, and ecosystems from the commandline. This is because serious developers need CI/CD flows, and that is something that can only be done efficiently from the commandline, and the Mac POSIX system (with brew and macports) can emulate Linux almost sufficiently as a replacement, but not quite. There's a reason why everything in the backend ultimately lives on a Linux variant. It's just that powerful. Of course, if you're an iOS, Android, or Windows dev exclusively, my words mean nothing. :) There are plenty of CI/CD pipelines for those platforms, but they often tend toward ... Linux-like flows.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by johnwalkr »

wang_li wrote: post #228
jakub_g wrote: post #135

> Next: Casual games. Minesweeper, Solitaire… who didn't waste time with those in the 1990s? Now they are cluttered with in-app purchase offerings. Wat? What are the purchases in Minesweeper and Solitaire? (My old laptop can't get Win11, thankfully I guess). Anyone could screenshot?

Solitaire in windows 10 has ads. If you want to disable, you’ve got to pay.

Not only ads but also lots of fluff. I just opened it for the first time in a while and it had to load a new EULA. it took almost 30s to get into a game. Once you’re in there is an XP system, and notifications to get a subscription or buy card designs. Ironically it costs $2.99 to get the windows xp card designs.

Thankfully it’s easy to find the windows xp versions which were the best, and they still work.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by qu4z-2 »

judge2020 wrote: post #28
drpixie wrote: post #15

> Some people recommended tools to me which can be used to switch most of those things off. But honestly: How do you trust a system (or its manufacturer) if you can't even know if those settings, which you deliberately chose, persist? No doubt you've all noticed how your carefully crafted config gets trashed by routine window's updates %#%$$#%#! If you use windows, you're pushing against a company that 1) you've give…

What configs are you talking about? Because most things in the official UIs are carefully crafted to be permanent user preferences that windows updates don't touch.

Whatever arcane configuration is required to disable dynamic contrast seems to get regularly reset with Windows updates (although this may be a graphics card driver vendor issue -- nevertheless). No, Windows, I don't want you to turn the backlight down when I'm looking at a dark image.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by judge2020 »

hparadiz wrote: post #229
charcircuit wrote: post #196

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EAC has worked on Linux for like a decade. That doesn't mean that those games will let you play on Linux.

That's patently untrue. There were a few kernel patches necessary only a year ago to make certain EAC games work. Here are all the games I play regularly with no problem: - League of Legends - Counter-Strike Global Offensive - Apex Legends - VRChat - Civilization VI - Factorio - RimWorld - Path of Exile - Skyrim - Final Fantasy XIV And my performance is usually better.

Most of these games don't do a great job at preventing cheaters; for years all Riot did to deter cheaters in League was threaten legal action against the cheat creators (In particular Joduska.me which was a scripting framework that enabled automated performing actions perfectly), Blizzard dealt with cheats by threatening legal action against WOW botters, CS:GO has Overwatch because Valve only mass-bans cheaters once every few years (and only when that cheat developer has amassed tens of thousands of customers and has open signups), and personal anecdotes from friends suggest that Apex cheating is somewhat still a problem. For VRChat, what would cheating even be for? Epilepsy / bypassing model age rating?

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by hparadiz »

nullfield wrote: post #255
hparadiz wrote: post #137

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Easy anti cheat works in linux now. Most games now just work

Destiny 2? Bungie has been unpleasant about this, as I’m sure plenty of other devs still do-which, unlike the past where they could claim no market share, makes less sense now that Steam Deck is a thing and doing great.

Bungie is specifically and on-purpose making the game broken on Linux for no apparant reason. Other BattleEye titles work just fine. There's no technical reason why it doesn't work. All the technical work was done all the way in 2021.

https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/31046...

This is one of those cases where you need to vote with your money and stop supporting studios that are hostile to Linux. I actively avoid all Bungie titles for this reason.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by johanvts »

ChancyChance wrote: post #247
localghost3000 wrote: post #167

I am sure I will get all kinds of hate for saying this: despite the extra up front cost, apple stuff is a better value. Lets take device lifetime: I have a 2013 MBP 15 and 2015 MBP 15. I use them for intensive things like music production. Both devices work flawlessly. I also a System 76 Oryx Pro which cost more than any mac I own. The webcam failed 5 months in, several keys don't work anymore, and it gets hotter tha…

I wish more people could have the experience of using Mac and Win11 on a daily basis for real work. I've been developing on Mac/Win11/Linux for 8 years. Win11 vs Mac/Linux is night-vs-day. But you really can't get a sense of how awful windows is without spending serious work time on both Mac & Win. It's not an exaggeration. The simplest things, like remembering settings, switching displays, or setting up hardware, Wi…

I quite enjoy using windows terminal + powershell + dotnet. I would probably use powershell even if I went back to Linux.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by throwaway472745 »

ChancyChance wrote: post #247
localghost3000 wrote: post #167

I am sure I will get all kinds of hate for saying this: despite the extra up front cost, apple stuff is a better value. Lets take device lifetime: I have a 2013 MBP 15 and 2015 MBP 15. I use them for intensive things like music production. Both devices work flawlessly. I also a System 76 Oryx Pro which cost more than any mac I own. The webcam failed 5 months in, several keys don't work anymore, and it gets hotter tha…

I wish more people could have the experience of using Mac and Win11 on a daily basis for real work. I've been developing on Mac/Win11/Linux for 8 years. Win11 vs Mac/Linux is night-vs-day. But you really can't get a sense of how awful windows is without spending serious work time on both Mac & Win. It's not an exaggeration. The simplest things, like remembering settings, switching displays, or setting up hardware, Wi…

Depends on the person because I use both and prefer Windows 10 over MacOS.

The Windows 10 taskbar with "never combine taskbar buttons" is a lot more productive for me, especially when using multiple monitors.

I tried some apps that emulate this on MacOS, but there were always issues.

This is why I'm still on Windows 10 and not 11.

I also prefer the Windows Explorer view, where the left side are folders and the right side the contents of the folder.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by goosedragons »

herpderperator wrote: post #257
goosedragons wrote: post #194

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I had a 2018 MBP that also got as hot of the surface of the sun. Literally SCRIBBLING with the pencil on a blank canvas in Corel Painter for 30 seconds would send the CPU to 90 C. I got lucky with the keyboard on mine but I know quite a few people who weren't or were affected by flexgate. You're right about about resale value. Cult of Apple and all that. I get that looks are subjective but personally I find everythin…

Any Intel/AMD mobile processor is going to get hot doing simple things - new or old. It has always been this way. M1/M2 is the way to go if you want cool operation on virtually all workloads.

Oh baloney. Doing the same thing on my Ryzen 5650U won't crack 50 C, it regularly idles around 30-40 C whereas the MBP I don't think I ever saw below 45. And my prior Skylake system was way cooler too. Usually was around 70 C gaming. The 2018 15" MBP chassis is particularly terrible for the chips they put in there. The i9 infamously would perform worse than the i7 in benchmarks for long duration tasks.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by hparadiz »

judge2020 wrote: post #264
hparadiz wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's patently untrue. There were a few kernel patches necessary only a year ago to make certain EAC games work. Here are all the games I play regularly with no problem: - League of Legends - Counter-Strike Global Offensive - Apex Legends - VRChat - Civilization VI - Factorio - RimWorld - Path of Exile - Skyrim - Final Fantasy XIV And my performance is usually better.

Most of these games don't do a great job at preventing cheaters; for years all Riot did to deter cheaters in League was threaten legal action against the cheat creators (In particular Joduska.me which was a scripting framework that enabled automated performing actions perfectly), Blizzard dealt with cheats by threatening legal action against WOW botters, CS:GO has Overwatch because Valve only mass-bans cheaters once…

I don't really get why you keep playing the contrarian in this thread. Linux works for me for all the games I play. I get incredible performance. And the anti cheat stuff I don't really care about. I used to play CS 1.6 and there were cheaters sure but it didn't really change my ability to be a PC games enjoyer.

I'm not gonna read your comment and be like "omg he's right. my linux install sucks. back to winblows". I used to constantly wrestle with my Windows install and now I wrestle with my Linux install less.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by hooverd »

mikerg87 wrote: post #23

It’s not Windows. It’s the broken social contract the entire PC industry has in believing it’s ok flood us with ads and surveillance driven “marketing”. Any retail PC is a sewer of bloat and crap ware.

People keep buying that sewer of bloat and crap ware unfortunately.
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